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sorry its not complete because its a shorted version

Oh my do I have to do it again?

you missed the context people
when you actually try to understand something you have to do your homework geez
here it goes...ill try to make it shorter so that you guys can read it

edit (btw this all logical and an educated study not a "holier than thou" discussion, I am sorry if you feel that way though, its not my intent)

ok so in between all of the personal attacks you made
which is not mature at all

you cited the classic examples of misinterpretation of the Bible, or rather the passages used to try and rationalize one's thinking



and actually for all of these passages, none of them actually say rape; you are just inserting them or making a large assumption which has no evidence
which would actually make the unusable as evidence
and i know you can keep going on saying stuff but without context the interpretation will be wrong
however i will walk through and give you some of the context for one of the passages anyway

(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

we dont even know from your post who or what this passage is talking about. if you look at the passage as a whole the setting is the Israelites moving into the promise land. the people there, if they captured an someone (like an Israelite) who was not from their nation, they would skin them alive, mutilate them, chop them to pieces, gangrape them, put their heads on stakes - which is why they killed all the men
and yes God is a vengeful God at times

as for the plunder if you read the later verses in the chapter it goes to state out the regulations for taking captives (particularly women) it first says that they must allow the captives to mourn for their families and then they may marry (not forced) because if she doesnt want to "let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, because you have dishonored her." - Deuteronomy 21:14b

I know people dont like double posting, but i think that if i didnt do this, people would not read it because the other post got too long


I could be totally wrong here but if someone else can make a post of venting, then I can post this

i actually have a feeling that the problem you guys have with the Bible is not that a bunch of stuff happened historically and is recorded that way, but the problem you guys have is with the message that it brings itself

So no one gets mixed up, here is the basic message I will refer to later... the basic message is simply that
1. God created everything and God himself does not need to be created, because if He needed to be then He is probably not God
2. Humans are not perfect, aka sinful and therefore we cannot be with God because justice requires a debt to be paid for a sin
3. Since God loves us, He provides a way for us to be with Him by sending Jesus to die for us
4. Since Jesus was perfect, He died unjustly and therefore acts as a payment for our debt
5. "That if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and you believe in your heart that He rose from the dead, you will be saved"
6. and the characteristic of someone who truly accepts Jesus is a changed life, living for something else, not yourself

ok? I didnt say that you have to believe it or anything, this is just so you guys know what I am talking about

so if there was an all powerful God and humans actually in need of redemption then it would make you change the way you live. And I think that you guys like doing what you do and you just want to live for yourself and not for something else

for instance if we say that hypothetically everything stated above is true and people knew it, i think a lot of people would still say that they want to live for themselves at this point in time
so sadly, they continue with their life.

But that is the hypothetical situation we face in reality. however, what i stated above still wont sit right with people and so people begin to question the idea of God because they think if they can rationalize that He isnt real, then they can do whatever they want and not feel guilty




I will even play the hypothetical situation in reverse for you guys.

If, hypothetically, God does exist and Jesus didnt do what He said He did (die for us) then we are all screwed anyway because we all die physically and then spiritually too. so actually this hypothetical situation is kinda pointless

If, hypothetically, God doesnt even exist. And as Knight of the Realm says "we exist because we exist" I will still be perfectly content with my life as it is right now. I live morally and I love my family and the people around me and I think ive achieved a lot and I try to do a lot for the poor so yeah. Believing in God called me to do all of those things anyway even if He didnt exist.



So did that strike a chord with anyone?
be honest with yourself, what is the real deal here? are you rationalizing? do you just want to live for yourself?

sorry if this offends anyone, I am just curious