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Calling all sword collectors
#1
Posted 28 May 2016 - 04:30 AM
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#2
Posted 28 May 2016 - 02:40 PM
i wouldn't consider myself a collector by any means, but my family has quite a few swords(more specifically my dad does). one of them is a decorative blade rather than a functional one. it's a snake-blade design with an absolutely useless handguard. it's only function is to look good on a wall rather than be used as a weapon of any kind. in fact last i checked it was dulled to the point of being better as a blunt object, and it's never been used for anything which means that's the way it came. we have several katanas of varying quality that my dad trained with when he was still practicing martial arts(he can't anymore because of a serious back problem). the best of which is actually the most simple looking. the blade itself is a fairly standard design. there's no ornate carvings or anything like that, and the blood groove is about at unoriginal as you can get. just a basic flat black wrap on the hilt with nothing special to say about it. the hand guard is a bit fancy compared to the rest of the sword, but even that is pretty minimalist. it's nice to look at though as it has a dragon and a tiger fighting around the blade. the only remarkable thing about it is how incredibly well built the entire thing is. the blade is ridiculously sharp after having been used for practice for many many years and shows no signs of wear at all. my dad took good care of it of course which has a lot to do with that, but it's a testament to the guy who forged it as well.
my favorite though is my wooden boken. it's not anything special really. just a 6 inch hilt that goes straight into a 2 foot blade. there's no handguard at all of course since it's one solid piece of wood. the stain on it is nice to look at i guess, but there's no design or anything like that. i like it so much because it has the perfect weight for getting a good swing. it's light enough that i can hold it in one hand if i need to for whatever reason, and still heavy enough that it won't be wasted in two hands. honestly if i was to use a real sword to defend myself i would want it to feel exactly like my boken does.
i don't have any pictures right now because i'm not even certain where all of the swords are right now(we moved about two years ago, and i haven't even thought about the swords until just now XD). i'll see if i can find them and get some pictures up.
honestly i'd like to start a collection of sorts, but i kinda want to move back home eventually. it'd be a pain to have a lot of stuff to bring with me when i do, so i won't have a collection until i find my own place. i have had my eye on this for awhile though http://www.coldsteel...ALRY_SABER.aspx
i totally forgot to mention that my father's pride and joy is his cane sword. it's a straight blade with one cutting edge and a tanto tip. once again nothing decorative about it. it's only meant for a fight. what he really likes about it is that the scabbard is really solid, so he can use that as well a the blade itself. though the blade is too long to try and use in one hand imo. nothing to do with weight, it would just feel a bit awkward.
#3
Posted 29 May 2016 - 03:38 AM
Not much to add myself but I've always wanted to acquire a jian. They are one of the most beautiful blades in my mind as a rapier-like weapon with an elegant design. Pretty much outclassed by the standard rapier design in terms of practicality (especially with the lack of guard on most jians) but I've always found a sort of elegance in its simplicity. I swore I was going to get one for myself when I graduated my undergraduate but never followed through. Guess I'll get one when I'm done graduate studies.
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Also always wanted to own a Swiss saber. They honestly look deadly efficient all around. The nice guard doesn't hurt.
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Daos are pretty awesome in its curvature though that's probably my own cultural influence showing.
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#4
Posted 30 May 2016 - 03:45 AM
Not much to add myself but I've always wanted to acquire a jian. They are one of the most beautiful blades in my mind as a rapier-like weapon with an elegant design. Pretty much outclassed by the standard rapier design in terms of practicality (especially with the lack of guard on most jians) but I've always found a sort of elegance in its simplicity. I swore I was going to get one for myself when I graduated my undergraduate but never followed through. Guess I'll get one when I'm done graduate studies.
I think jian can be better compared to smallswords than rapiers in role. Notably, smallswords came after rapiers (even though both are for civilian defense as the jian is) but lose most of the advantages rapiers were built to have. The main positives would be being much lighter and better suited for when you have to fight in a compact space from its shorter length, even if it is a thrusting sword.
As for why exactly smallswords were ever a thing after they had the far more effective rapier anyway, it's probably due to legal reasons (because sword control laws are pretty much like gun control laws, they are all about them technicalities), some dumb cultural/social expectation, or just because it's somewhat more portable and thus more comfortable to keep on you in everyday life than other swords, it would be like the difference between a laptop and a smartphone or something.
I don't know if the jian suffers from similar constraints in particular, but it's certainly true that everyday civilian defense weapons have a tendency to emphasize more on those three factors than anything meant for more risky situations.
i wouldn't consider myself a collector by any means, but my family has quite a few swords(more specifically my dad does)
Hold up now, are you suggesting old people have hobbies?
the best of which is actually the most simple looking. the blade itself is a fairly standard design. there's no ornate carvings or anything like that, and the blood groove is about at unoriginal as you can get. just a basic flat black wrap on the hilt with nothing special to say about it. the hand guard is a bit fancy compared to the rest of the sword, but even that is pretty minimalist. it's nice to look at though as it has a dragon and a tiger fighting around the blade. the only remarkable thing about it is how incredibly well built the entire thing is. the blade is ridiculously sharp after having been used for practice for many many years and shows no signs of wear at all. my dad took good care of it of course which has a lot to do with that, but it's a testament to the guy who forged it as well.
I've noticed the more expensive but not ultra-expensive (like "we use real gold on the decs" expensive) swords on the market have a tendency to be pretty bare-bones in favor of high functionality. I kind of feel like katana have all look same syndrome I'm asian I get to say these things a lot of the time because it doesn't allow for much room in the way of decoration or design variation though...the main reason I can't exactly be thrilled actually trying to think of buying one is because nobody really tries to sell decent ones that aim to stand out from the other katana. Even other Japanese swords don't really look that different from it outside of length variations, putting aside the naginata which is stretching the definition of sword a bit much.
honestly i'd like to start a collection of sorts, but i kinda want to move back home eventually. it'd be a pain to have a lot of stuff to bring with me when i do, so i won't have a collection until i find my own place. i have had my eye on this for awhile though http://www.coldsteel...ALRY_SABER.aspx
I feel the need to point out that Cold Steel is one of those companies who are more interested in focusing their efforts on advertising the product than quality checking the product (if I recall correctly, they don't even actually make their swords) with common issues people have with them being unwieldly blades and a hilt that wasn't fitted properly. There are mixed opinions on them but the one thing more experienced customers can agree on is that they are overpriced low-end sword retailers.
i totally forgot to mention that my father's pride and joy is his cane sword. it's a straight blade with one cutting edge and a tanto tip. once again nothing decorative about it. it's only meant for a fight. what he really likes about it is that the scabbard is really solid, so he can use that as well a the blade itself. though the blade is too long to try and use in one hand imo. nothing to do with weight, it would just feel a bit awkward.
That sounds really weird considering most cane swords are pretty short (when unsheathed) and even if they were designed to go deep into the sheath by virtue of being a cane it would have a pretty significant length restriction. Consider that the rapiers are one-handed weapons in spite of commonly being over 40 inches. (My officer's sword is also a one-handed sword in spite of having a blade that's like twice as long as my dirk's, but I'm assuming it was meant to be used on a horse.)
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#5
Posted 30 May 2016 - 09:23 AM
@the cold Steel thing(why does my phone capitalize steel even?) I haven't heard that about them before. I've bought knives from them, and while they weren't great quality I still got what I payed for at the very least.
#6
Posted 31 May 2016 - 02:43 AM
I think jian can be better compared to smallswords than rapiers in role. Notably, smallswords came after rapiers (even though both are for civilian defense as the jian is) but lose most of the advantages rapiers were built to have. The main positives would be being much lighter and better suited for when you have to fight in a compact space from its shorter length, even if it is a thrusting sword.
As for why exactly smallswords were ever a thing after they had the far more effective rapier anyway, it's probably due to legal reasons (because sword control laws are pretty much like gun control laws, they are all about them technicalities), some dumb cultural/social expectation, or just because it's somewhat more portable and thus more comfortable to keep on you in everyday life than other swords, it would be like the difference between a laptop and a smartphone or something.
I don't know if the jian suffers from similar constraints in particular, but it's certainly true that everyday civilian defense weapons have a tendency to emphasize more on those three factors than anything meant for more risky situations
I think you're right in the sense that they were likely closer related to the smallsword...though I would suggest the jian was also a military weapon as, if memory serves, the dao didn't exist during some of the earlier eras of conflict. The elegance and beauty in the jian's movements are (to my memory) what sparked the move to declare it the gentleman of the four weapons to the dao's general (we can see that the dao effectively replaced the jian by the Three Kingdoms era). The dao also itself more suited in later eras. Much like the rapier, it would be relegated to lightly armoured contests or for shows of beauty.
I think since then, they've been beloved for much the same reason...spears are forever the peasant's weapon. You'll see that almost everywhere...they're cheap, easy to make, and easy to train. But it's also tradition for families to keep a jian around; I'd assume that the aesthetics and efficiency in unarmoured conflicts are the bigger reason for that.
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#7
Posted 03 June 2016 - 07:46 PM
oh my gosh so much text.
I saw this thread but I have no idea when I'll be able to take out an hour of my life for this.
Also, I do have swords but I just collect various fantasy swords for fun, not as a serious collector. They just kind of casually sit around in my room and on occasion I try to make sure they don't get in terrible condition, but I don't properly display or take care of them nor am I really familiar with the aesthetics or culture of sword collecting lol
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#8
Posted 05 June 2016 - 03:20 AM
Fantasy swords, huh...
I have difficulties trying to approach them (for purchasing purposes anyway) because I feel like fantasy weapons have personal qualities to them that won't really let me feel like it's really my sword if I had got one. Like, if I purchased the Elucidator, I can't mentally consider myself the owner, I will just have Kirito's sword on a rack instead of my sword. Even if the fantasy weapon wasn't designed for a specific character, and doesn't exist as a movie replica or anything, it would ultimately be the author's imaginative design and presumably made to fit their tastes. Historical weapons (that weren't tailor made for specific people) are generic enough to belong to anyone as long as they had the job or money for them.
The other issue would be that fantasy swords have a tendency to be of dangerously poor construction to the point of not being very safe to even swing at air. (I'm obsessed with durability/longevity in my stuff) The only fantasy sword I'd accept would be one that I make myself, I suppose. No clue where I'd learn to blacksmith (and find a studio with the tools to do it, and where to buy the metal, etc.) though.
I believe in judgment of humans through their judgment of fiction, for nothing else tells better of their disposition freed from apprehension.
#9
Posted 17 June 2016 - 02:34 AM
I actively collect daggers and swords. Will post pictures of my stuff later.
I collect a mix of fantasy swords and actual swords.
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