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#1 Dave Strider

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 02:36 PM

Ok, I've been seeing a truckload of people here who think Ross is better than Garcia, when realistically, it's much the other way around. Anybody who wants to debate me about it, post here. I'll debate the first person who asks to, because I'm really wanting to show that Ross isn't really that good.
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 02:38 PM

Ross has more lvl ing up(more stat gain) and can become beserker(i dotn care bot that one) and can support with amelia and ewan
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 02:38 PM

Ross > Garcia

Berserker > Warrior/Hero

Ross only needs a bit of babying and that is only at like the 3rd chapter meaning you don't miss out on other units at all.

With or without tutorial doesn't matter, Just that Garcia might get an extra useless kill with the tutorial. Garcia doesn't gain experience at that time tongue.gif
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 02:51 PM

Actually Kiara it's Hero > Berserker/Warrior

Just for that handy bit of speed, Ross isn't hitting any caps as Berserker
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 02:53 PM

QUOTE (Seraphinox @ August 27, 2009 03:51 pm)
Actually Kiara it's Hero > Berserker/Warrior

Just for that handy bit of speed, Ross isn't hitting any caps as Berserker

Ross can become all three I believe Unless that is just cause I hacked it but I think he can become all three so it is down to the favoritism.
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 03:04 PM

QUOTE (badkiara103 @ August 27, 2009 10:38 am)
Ross > Garcia

Berserker > Warrior/Hero

Ross only needs a bit of babying and that is only at like the 3rd chapter meaning you don't miss out on other units at all.

With or without tutorial doesn't matter, Just that Garcia might get an extra useless kill with the tutorial. Garcia doesn't gain experience at that time tongue.gif

Still, not needing babying>needing babying. wanna do an actual debate in the debate section, I meant?
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 03:23 PM

Zerker gives critical, though.
Garcia is obviously>Ross unless you're arena/boss/whatevertheheckelse abusing Ross.
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 03:56 PM

i made ross lvl 15-20 wairror without any abusing at all BEFORE CH 9
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:06 PM

QUOTE (Kingultra @ August 27, 2009 11:56 am)
i made ross lvl 15-20 wairror without any abusing at all BEFORE CH 9

Impossible. You don't get an ocean seal/ hero crest/master seal by then, and you couldn't have promoted ross. unless you cheated, which doesn't count.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:06 PM

How did you get the hero thing or the oceal seal before then <.<
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:17 PM

i mean fighter

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:35 PM

That would have taken EXTREME favoritism. Seriously, non trainees arent' expected to promote until chapter 15. Being ready to promote at chapter nine is ridiculous. Oh, and if you want to have that count as an advantage for Ross, just imagine what that would do for Garcia and how much easier it would have been?
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:37 PM

so is anybody gonna debate me or not? I saw some massive ross favoritsm in the FE8 tier list, but nobody questions me here?

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:46 PM

they have power in that thread, and not here


also i did same for garcia, and guess who got better stats(ill give a hint, ROSS)
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:55 PM

This is about debates. Of course they can say Ross>Garcia here.

Personal Experience means nothing. Just because your Ross was better than you Garcia at level 20, it doesn't mean every Ross is better than every Garcia when they are both at level 20. Also, did you use any stat boosters?
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:56 PM

no i save all stat boosters for ephraim
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:57 PM

QUOTE (Rujio @ August 27, 2009 05:35 pm)
That would have taken EXTREME favoritism. Seriously, non trainees arent' expected to promote until chapter 15. Being ready to promote at chapter nine is ridiculous. Oh, and if you want to have that count as an advantage for Ross, just imagine what that would do for Garcia and how much easier it would have been?

One little fail chapter and ross is level 10 , promoting at the start of the next chapter.

That one little chapter (the chapter with neimi and colm) doesn't matter all that much. Let Ross kill from far away and if you do it good you have him to level 10.

A bit of babying/favoritism but damn, it IS worth it.

After him promoting to Pirate or Fighter he will do pretty lots of damage with high hit rate as well. And with the extra levels he gets before promoting to the normal tier (aka first tier) he will get more level ups then Garcia and most likely end up getting good.

I do have to agree with Amelia or Ewan. You get them too late to train them without tower abusing.
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 05:01 PM

The thing is Ross does not end up spectacular like you're saying, he ends up mediocre, so in the end training him is a waste
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 05:18 PM

QUOTE (badkiara103 @ August 27, 2009 12:57 pm)
QUOTE (Rujio @ August 27, 2009 05:35 pm)
That would have taken EXTREME favoritism. Seriously, non trainees arent' expected to promote until chapter 15. Being ready to promote at chapter nine is ridiculous. Oh, and if you want to have that count as an advantage for Ross, just imagine what that would do for Garcia and how much easier it would have been?

One little fail chapter and ross is level 10 , promoting at the start of the next chapter.

That one little chapter (the chapter with neimi and colm) doesn't matter all that much. Let Ross kill from far away and if you do it good you have him to level 10.

A bit of babying/favoritism but damn, it IS worth it.

After him promoting to Pirate or Fighter he will do pretty lots of damage with high hit rate as well. And with the extra levels he gets before promoting to the normal tier (aka first tier) he will get more level ups then Garcia and most likely end up getting good.

I do have to agree with Amelia or Ewan. You get them too late to train them without tower abusing.

But why does Ross get to boss abuse, but not Garcia? Is that really fair? No. If Ross gets to boss abuse to Lvel 10 journeyman, Garcia gets to boss abuse to lv 20 fighter. Let me see...

Journeyman!Ross Lv 10/0/0, HP:21.3, Str:9.5, Skl:5.15, Spd:5.7, Luk:11.6 Def: 5.25, Res:1.8
Fighter!Garcaia Lv 20/0 HP:40.8, Str:18.4, Skl:13.4, Spd:10.2, Luk:9.4, Def:9, Res:3.4

Oh hey look guys, Garcia wtfpwns Ross in every stat except lolluck. He practically has 2x as much HP, str, spd, def and res, and practically 3x as much skill. sure he loses in luk but nobody cares about luk unless it's liek 0. And there not getting crit by these fail enemies anyway.

"but that's not fair"
Boss abuse isn't fair. Thus it isn't a valid argument, and shouldn't be considered in tier lists or debates. I rest my case.
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 05:27 PM

ah but ross gets another 20 lvls before becomeing lvl 20 fighter

so he can get higher stats
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