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[wraith89]

[Felover3]

They can get married, because married gets more benefits then say a civil union or whatever BS they made up. The benefits are US whole for a marrage, only a state for union. Therefore I do not like the whole banning thing. I mean, who decides who can get married or not? Saying gay people get less opportunities carries the women and colored people debates that went on for centuries.

[Sothe]

America needs someone to oppress. We can no longer oppress black people or women, so we turn to homosexuals. After that boat's sailed, we'll turn to nudists, maybe trannies.

[bblues]

There's nothing wrong with gay marriage at all, so overturning a ban on it is good an all.

[Leo]

I fully support gay marriage.

Also, wraith 89 is a very silly person. Sexuality is an inherent part of someone's character, it's not a "choice".

[wraith89]

[Sothe]

Science says it is a disease. A DISEASE. How prejudiced is THAT?

[wraith89]

[Zepher Tensho]

I heard homosexuallity is a "mutation" of the gland in the brain that produces chemicals to make you desire the oposite sex, making you instead desire the same sex. But who can prove that? I don't know what makes you gay but I know some ppl just are and some do it by choice. I have a neutrality towards gay marriage but I too say the law to ban it is unconstitutional cuz it says no where in it that ppl can't marry the same sex. If they wanna be gay and be married fine let them do it! Just cuz it's 2 guys or 2 girls don't mean they don't love each other. My aunt is gay for Christs sake! And I'm fine with that!

[Tsuki-Hime]

Hmm I better get my opinion out before I start tearing poor little wraith to shreds.... I'm pro-homosexual but am not homosexual myself.

Firstly I want to point out christianity or other alternatives are not much better to homosexuality in wraiths examples. Lets start then

"It's unnatural"
Guess what? So it the building you're living in! Which means we must all go live in caves and hollow tree's since unnatural = bad.

"Reduce human population"
Personally I think the Florida remark is utter rubbish, I don't even think you'd be able to fit earths population in the USA. But even that aside keep in mind that some parts of the world are not ideal for human habitation and that Florida alone could not produce enough goods/services for the entire human race. Florida couldn't feed China for a start.

"Sure, straight people get HIV, but that's only because they acquired it from the others who were homosexual"
Okay, so where is your basis or source for this information, and seeing as how HIV is a scientific issue and not a curse brought on by some god I want scientific sources, not the general rumour gossip either.

"I'm sure homosexuals are not in love for their same sex"
This is a practical perspective, and you are implying love=sex. I could love a girl and kiss her in a loving way but that's because I like her, not because she will fulfil the role of a woman/man. And to be graphical I'd like to know how it's possible to take on the same role. THe roles taken are assertive and submissive, not man and woman.

Now here comes my reasoning for Christinaity being the same as homosexuality.
-Firstly religion is not natural, it deals with the divine intervention/cause that change the natural flow of things.
-"The American public schools are being led by homosexual activists trying to infringe their homosexuality trying to make it look normal... especially to little children around age 5, who are their targets, for being young makes you vulnerable to most influences."
This made me laugh, while I doubt homosexuals can't literally take over the education system (without world spread contreversy) targetting the young is nothing new, religion itself claims to be the truth. And that it must be taught to your children (Else they suffer, in hell or whatever) hence it even uses fear tactics. This was also done in many asian countries where Christianity was introduced and many were killed for being heretics or idol worshippers. At the very least I don't think homosexuals will start demanding genocide of the straght population.
-Homosexuals only promote themselves because they aren't accepted. Make it normal and I'm sure they'll shut up. From my observation humans fight for what they believe they have a right to. And when denied this right they start promoting themselves. Hence it is no surprise they won't shut up.
-I'm not sure if they're victims but if they're being denied rights and also being labeled as "sinful" I guess they are a victim of social exclusion and religious propaganda.\
-" I don't see any scientific evidence to say homosexuality is genetically linked."
And I don't see any scientific evidence that your big daddy up in the clouds exists either.

Overall anything can be attacked and as Ephidel said it was women before, "blacks" "the chinamen" and communists they move on to homosexuals. If it was known as a disease then that alone proves they are victim to societys BS.

[Roque Minonovo]

wraith, I'd prefer it if you keep your Christianity to yourself. In my eyes, in detracts away from the value of reason and free thinking, and its screwing up our youth to follow pre-determined paths in life.

[Leo]

[Roque Minonovo]

I'm just trying to prove a point, because I've never forced being a Deist on someone, and I've certainly never tried to corrupt our youth by being bi-sexual. It's insulting to me, and although I respect his right to say it, I'm not above responding with an example to prove he is the pot calling the kettle black.

[Tsuki-Hime]

Nyeh if I wanted to bash religion I'd go much further, but homosexuality is a highly contreversial topic and while I'm neither religious or homo/bisexual I find it irritating when people cite religious sources as a basis of what is wrong and right. I probably wouldn't have said as much nasty things if I didn't see posts condemning forcing gay ideology onto children which was precedented by religion in the past and present and most likely the future.

[Leo]

It annoys me too, but religon is something deeply held by a lot of people, and insulting it can be quite insulting. Besides, you convince more people with the carrot than the stick.

[cox21]

While I do think that homesexuality is wrong, you can't try and force your views on others and everyone has a right to be free and do as they wish.

Not that that argument makes any difference where I live. Homesexuality is a crime which can get you up to 20+ years in prison.

[Holy Kensai]

[wraith89]

I don't get it... since when has this topic been about bashing Christianity. I recall this topic being about homosexual marriage in general, not faith. And besides, in a topic like these, there must always be a dissenter... must I agree with everyone? If so, it would be a stupid and dull topic... and I am sticking with my opinions, despite all your attempts in attacking my faith.

[Ristau]

Lolz People are bashing Christianity, becuase people are always Like, THE BIBLE SAYS YOU CANNOT BE HOMOSEXUALL!!!!!1!1!!
Well you know what? I am a Christian, but seriously F*** the Bible, I may be christian, but I don't belive in a God, because I choose to, I don't get corrupted by media and Other people...
All I have to say is, Wraith, your wrong, becuase you shouldn't take control of someones life, and why the Hell should you care? If you sayy everyone is entitled to their opinion, then why can't they be gay? in their eyes thats right, which therfore makes u a Friggin Hypocrite.
The country, USA is messed up becuase of the Republicans screwing everything. Everything was fine, even with the republicans, until, I beileve Ronald Reagan when all republicans started being Conservitive Christain Nutjobs. Bush screwed the economy and now people are blaming Obama. F***ing Obama... THE PROBLEM STARTED BEFORE HE WAS IN OFFICE!!! And now people are starting websites where people are stockpiling weapons apparenty and are going to Murder all the Liberals... There are going to lose since Obama had more Elecorial Votes than anyone ever. So there are obviously more Democrats...


My Opinion Like I said, people should choose what they do and stuff, if you don't agree, TOUGH SH**!!! MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

[AS Deadly]

I don't think it's right to judge whether or not someone can get married to the one they love based on whether they are different genders or not. Doing so elevates Christianity to a national level. Don't get me wrong, I'm personally a Catholic, but I don't think that method of thinking is correct. I also dislike how we Americans say "One nation, under God," because again, some people don't believe in God as a a deity or simply, the deity.

Basically what I'm saying is that things like the Pledge of Allegiance should take a more atheist approach, and not acknowledge any certain religion. We have freedom of religion in the Bill of Rights, for crying out loud!

I'm trying to avoid bashing Christianity, but isn't the MAIN argument for banning homosexual marriage the fact that the bible is against it? Beyond that fact, what is there?