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@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:45 PM) especially better imo if you want to update on a topic but like only occasionally (e.g. a project you're working on or a let's play of a game)
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) it's hard for me to explain precisely why but forums just like work better for meaningful discussion over a longer period of time ig
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) but that's def just not hte same ig, idk
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) yeah, you can also kind of respond at your own pace on forums. Discord conversations are often like... it's awkward to respond to something that happened a while ago, especially if the server is active, but even just in general. since you sort of need to keep track of multiple conversations at once at times, and it's not like it has a good reply/quote system ala forums, closest thing really is to copy/paste or screenshot the text you're responding to and then type a response below
@  Elwood : (09 November 2019 - 11:29 AM) Adding on to what's been said, I just enjoy the order and structure of the forums. You can look through the threads and know exactly what people are talking about. Conversation get lost and buried on discord which is why I'm not a big fan of it.
@  kirant : (06 November 2019 - 05:31 AM) I enjoy that part of forums too. They become niche communities where you can have very specialized conversations as opposed to the cluttered mess in Discord.
@  Ezra : (31 October 2019 - 01:17 AM) Yeah, part of me wishes I could go back to the times forums were more prevalent. I really enjoyed how even several different forums based off the same franchise could feel so different. It's not like what we now is bad though, I just feel nostalgic for old times.
@  Fire Blazer : (30 October 2019 - 06:39 AM) also forums in general are just not as prevalent, there are so many other ways to interact these days, like Twitter, FB, Tumblr, etc., where you can just throw your thoughts into the void. I think that's the real issue and that the only people rly interested in forums these days are either super dedicated to whatever they're about, have a specific reason/need to (e.g. support forums), or grew up with them and are thus attached to the idea enough to continue to try and use them (this was kinda me for a while lol but things happen, I couldn't keep it up forever)
@  Fire Blazer : (30 October 2019 - 06:36 AM) I've posted on SF for various reasons ofc but in terms of like making friends and stuff it's p. much just been smaller groups/forums, yeah. mainly FES
@  Elwood : (27 October 2019 - 10:08 PM) Only reason I'm even on Serenes was because I had hacking questions. @Ezra yeah I figured it must be an age thing. I've been called an old man by many a child because I use Facebook.
@  kirant : (26 October 2019 - 09:39 PM) It's strange. I don't think I've ever posted on Serenes...period. I've always been a fan of smaller forums.
@  Ezra : (26 October 2019 - 05:49 AM) I think it's because a lot of newer FE players didn't frequent forums growing up. And those that do probably end up on Serenes.
@  Elwood : (25 October 2019 - 07:30 AM) I would love to revitalize this place I'm just not sure how that would be done. I mean with how main stream FE seems to have become I'm honestly surprised we don't have more members.
@  Fire Blazer : (21 October 2019 - 08:04 PM) tfw u not coming here results in not seeing a PM from last month T_T ok gonna try and check at least every couple weeks now even if there's nothing here, lol...
@  Fire Blazer : (21 October 2019 - 07:54 PM) I come here almost never because I've fallen out of habit and basically just accepted the forums are dead :( it's neat you come here every day tho
@  Elwood : (27 September 2019 - 05:52 AM) I still come here everyday because this is still my homepage in Firefox! XD
@  Ezra : (25 September 2019 - 03:07 PM) I also miss the days the forums I used were more active :(
@  Fire Blazer : (15 September 2019 - 05:39 AM) I do kinda miss the days these forums were active :(
@  Ezra : (29 August 2019 - 04:14 PM) *BOX!!!*
@  kirant : (19 August 2019 - 12:49 PM) Huh. Bothammer time.

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#1 Fire Blazer

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 08:22 PM

And I find a lot of potential concerns with this:

 

- What if you don't own a phone
- What if you don't have your phone on you
- What if you don't have a smartphone that can run the app
- What if your phone is low on battery
- What if you like having normal "gamer" headsets
- What if you are recording/streaming and want the voice chat recorded along with the game itself
- What if you are using the phone for something else
- What if you just don't like using your phone

This is just a small list of some of the issues a lot of which are significant for the gamer experience, this is incredibly stupid IMO. There is no reason not to give players options. Rather than trying to do things in their own way or whatever they should just accept that PlayStation and Xbox already have acceptable ways of doing party chat and stuff and just copy/use that rather than freaking trying to be innovative on something that doesn't need innovation.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." One of the best and least followed sayings when it comes to technology, especially with like Microsoft, Youtube, and Nintendo, but more relevant to this conversation, Nintendo.

This is going to significantly hurt 3rd-party support too by making it difficult to adapt online multiplayer games to use this weird voice chat system. Even if 3rd-praties do it, gamers will take into account how much of a pain it is and be more likely to choose another console with a better system for it. I know I would, and here I am mostly excited for the Switch.

So I really hope said third-parties along with anyone else who can to pressure Nintendo to reverse this moronic decision. Companies CAN reverse decisions. It's not stuck in stone. If it's absolutely atrocious enough, they can and should reverse it. Remember the big Xbox One reversal? :\

And this could be easy to fix: you don't need a built-in mic for the Switch if you support headsets with built-in mics instead. You don't need a built-in mic anyway, giving people the option to plugin their own headset with a mic is sufficient because that's what a lot of gamers have anyway.

But not giving any option except to use some dumb smartphone app is incredibly closed-minded, restrictive, and IMO stubborn on Nintendo's part. And most of all just dumb.

Sigh. So. Thoughts anyone?

 

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Posted 19 January 2017 - 08:01 AM

As a gamer who really does not give two shits about in-game voice chat I can see why this is a problem but at the same time does not bother me at all. Why would I want in-game voice chat for online play for Smash? I could just use Skype or Discord to do that than to have it implemented. And when I say online play I don't mean playing with a bunch of people I don't know I mean playing with friends. Everyone has their preference for different online play so it is quite understandable.



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 04:24 AM

As a gamer who really does not give two shits about in-game voice chat I can see why this is a problem but at the same time does not bother me at all. Why would I want in-game voice chat for online play for Smash? I could just use Skype or Discord to do that than to have it implemented. And when I say online play I don't mean playing with a bunch of people I don't know I mean playing with friends. Everyone has their preference for different online play so it is quite understandable.

 

yeah I mean I rarely use in-game voice chat myself (in the first place I mostly play 1-player games) but I try to sympathize with other people and also I like having the option, and I like being able to tell people "yeah that thing you want/have come to expect from modern gaming, that's on the Switch ofc", it's hard to recommend the console etc. to people when it's lacking certain features, so that's what kinda gets to me, I want it to be good enough that it can solidly compete with others, rather than it being like, oh, the Switch is still 5 years behind and can't do X and Y and it stinks, if that makes sense. The Switch can't stay the "1st-party games/casual gamer console" forever, I want it to be a console where gamers don't have to find workarounds for things and can just play and enjoy with fleshed out functionality, and I think having things like a good party system, voice chat, etc. helps with that, basically make the experience as easy for gamers as possible and limit the external stuff they need (like not needing a capture card to record video, not needing a LAN adapter for a good internet connection, not needing a smartphone for voice chat, etc. etc.)


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