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Homosexual marriage ban declared unconstitutional in Iowa
#21
Posted 04 April 2009 - 01:09 AM
QUOTE (Ephidel @ April 04, 2009 02:02 am) |
I have friends who are trannies, actually. They're not as weird as people think they are. Well yeah...people who spread it is wrong. If someone is homosexual, they're homosexual. But pushing it on others is wrong. |
They even spread propaganda-like messages and make children think that homosexuals are the victims. Well, that's too exaggerated. Ever heard of Matthew Shepard? The poster boy of the gay rights movement... he was NOT killed because he was homosexual... but the two men just wanted to rob him of his money and were high when they did that. However, American public schools spread the idea that he was persecuted because of his homosexuality. They shouldn't be lying like that. Even Wikipedia, the forums of the liberals, state that he may have been killed because of his homosexuality... and doesn't even state the true cause until MUCH LATER into the article, which people won't really see through anyways.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 01:41 AM
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 01:43 AM
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 03:16 PM
#25
Posted 04 April 2009 - 05:47 PM
Also, wraith 89 is a very silly person. Sexuality is an inherent part of someone's character, it's not a "choice".
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#26
Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:54 PM
QUOTE (Leo @ April 04, 2009 06:47 pm) |
I fully support gay marriage. Also, wraith 89 is a very silly person. Sexuality is an inherent part of someone's character, it's not a "choice". |
How am I silly for not thinking YOUR way? I don't see any scientific evidence to say homosexuality is genetically linked. I realize I think differently from the majority at times, but I am entitled to do so. We may not agree in many things but understand where I am coming from. I'm sure my ideas are not too far fetched.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:58 PM
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#28
Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:13 PM
QUOTE (Ephidel @ April 04, 2009 11:58 pm) |
Science says it is a disease. A DISEASE. How prejudiced is THAT? |
I have my mom's really old DMS and homosexuality is found in one of the pages. Later on they removed it though... so do scientists still call it a disease? I think it's unnatural, like I said a million of times, but I don't know if I would call it a disease...
#29
Posted 05 April 2009 - 02:47 AM
#30
Posted 05 April 2009 - 05:15 AM
Firstly I want to point out christianity or other alternatives are not much better to homosexuality in wraiths examples. Lets start then
"It's unnatural"
Guess what? So it the building you're living in! Which means we must all go live in caves and hollow tree's since unnatural = bad.
"Reduce human population"
Personally I think the Florida remark is utter rubbish, I don't even think you'd be able to fit earths population in the USA. But even that aside keep in mind that some parts of the world are not ideal for human habitation and that Florida alone could not produce enough goods/services for the entire human race. Florida couldn't feed China for a start.
"Sure, straight people get HIV, but that's only because they acquired it from the others who were homosexual"
Okay, so where is your basis or source for this information, and seeing as how HIV is a scientific issue and not a curse brought on by some god I want scientific sources, not the general rumour gossip either.
"I'm sure homosexuals are not in love for their same sex"
This is a practical perspective, and you are implying love=sex. I could love a girl and kiss her in a loving way but that's because I like her, not because she will fulfil the role of a woman/man. And to be graphical I'd like to know how it's possible to take on the same role. THe roles taken are assertive and submissive, not man and woman.
Now here comes my reasoning for Christinaity being the same as homosexuality.
-Firstly religion is not natural, it deals with the divine intervention/cause that change the natural flow of things.
-"The American public schools are being led by homosexual activists trying to infringe their homosexuality trying to make it look normal... especially to little children around age 5, who are their targets, for being young makes you vulnerable to most influences."
This made me laugh, while I doubt homosexuals can't literally take over the education system (without world spread contreversy) targetting the young is nothing new, religion itself claims to be the truth. And that it must be taught to your children (Else they suffer, in hell or whatever) hence it even uses fear tactics. This was also done in many asian countries where Christianity was introduced and many were killed for being heretics or idol worshippers. At the very least I don't think homosexuals will start demanding genocide of the straght population.
-Homosexuals only promote themselves because they aren't accepted. Make it normal and I'm sure they'll shut up. From my observation humans fight for what they believe they have a right to. And when denied this right they start promoting themselves. Hence it is no surprise they won't shut up.
-I'm not sure if they're victims but if they're being denied rights and also being labeled as "sinful" I guess they are a victim of social exclusion and religious propaganda.\
-" I don't see any scientific evidence to say homosexuality is genetically linked."
And I don't see any scientific evidence that your big daddy up in the clouds exists either.
Overall anything can be attacked and as Ephidel said it was women before, "blacks" "the chinamen" and communists they move on to homosexuals. If it was known as a disease then that alone proves they are victim to societys BS.
#31
Posted 05 April 2009 - 05:20 AM
#32
Posted 05 April 2009 - 02:44 PM
QUOTE (wraith89 @ April 04, 2009 10:54 pm) |
How am I silly for not thinking YOUR way? I don't see any scientific evidence to say homosexuality is genetically linked. I realize I think differently from the majority at times, but I am entitled to do so. We may not agree in many things but understand where I am coming from. I'm sure my ideas are not too far fetched. |
Actually, there is quite a bit of evidence that sexuality is part of your make up, or at least not a choice someone makes. Though science as yet does not know exactly what causes it. This article sums up the current facts pretty well.
http://en.wikipedia....uality#Etiology
See the section Etiology. I know you don't like Wikipedia, but this page is very well researched and cites well-respected scientific researches.
@The last two posters, while I agree with you, I would lay-off the Christian bashing a little. Being polite to everyone is generally the way to go.
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#33
Posted 05 April 2009 - 03:22 PM
#34
Posted 06 April 2009 - 01:40 AM
#35
Posted 06 April 2009 - 12:51 PM
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I'm neither religious or homo/bisexual |
Sure? 'Cause you sure as hell aren't straight.....
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#36
Posted 06 April 2009 - 05:00 PM
Not that that argument makes any difference where I live. Homesexuality is a crime which can get you up to 20+ years in prison.
#37
Posted 06 April 2009 - 06:33 PM
QUOTE (Leo @ April 06, 2009 08:51 am) |
It annoys me too, but religon is something deeply held by a lot of people, and insulting it can be quite insulting. Besides, you convince more people with the carrot than the stick. |
It's weird how the people who believe that there's a invisible man in the sky, who created humans from two humans who only had three sons, (won't say more about that due to inappropriateness) can't not push their views onto other people.
I handle homosexuality weird, I am a straight male, and I define homosexuals and faggots as such;
Homosexuals are just people who are normal and just happen to be homosexual.
Faggots are the homosexuals who are extremely loud and annoying and try to act like what they think high school girls are, and pretty much just ring with insecurity. Usually flamboyant.
For example, a homosexual respects that you're not one and says nothing more about it. A faggot comes into your house, tries to hit on you/is all over you, and remarks that your "drapery is fabusucky."
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#38
Posted 06 April 2009 - 10:54 PM
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wraith, I'd prefer it if you keep your Christianity to yourself. In my eyes, in detracts away from the value of reason and free thinking, and its screwing up our youth to follow pre-determined paths in life. |
I actually see it the other way around. While reason is indeed the enemy of faith, Christianity isn't what you make it out to be... it is a lot more complex.
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@The last two posters, while I agree with you, I would lay-off the Christian bashing a little. Being polite to everyone is generally the way to go. |
Thank you very much. At least you can respect my point of view, even if it is not favorable from the others. I don't know why people always attack Christianity when it comes to controversial topics like this...
Here's some stuff I found regarding homosexuality and genetics... it should be interesting.
http://www.apa.org/t...rientation.html
http://www.narth.com...thardwired.html
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Hmm I better get my opinion out before I start tearing poor little wraith to shreds |
Nope, I'm still here, alive and well, and none of your points made sense to me at all. While I am at a big disadvantage for not having English as my first language and therefore making me quite inarticulate, I am not done yet. I will do more research on this topic for its sake. I wished we met under better circumstances, for we only got acquainted with each other just now. So how are you? I'm wraith89 as you know... unfitting username for someone of my faith, I know. You are new here, right?
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And I don't see any scientific evidence that your big daddy up in the clouds exists either. |
What does this have to do the whole homosexuality topic?
Absence of evidence =/= evidence for absence. Ever.
Let's all try and be civil here instead of bashing other people's beliefs. I do not bash others for what they believe but I am rather stating that I think homosexuality just doesn't work out. If you want to bash my beliefs, do it elsewhere, maybe in spam land or my PM and all. Go attack my faith your pitiful "evidences against Christianity", but you will not phaze me. But even then, WHY are you attacking my faith anyhow? You have no reason to do so... at least not in this topic.
#39
Posted 07 April 2009 - 12:15 AM
Well you know what? I am a Christian, but seriously F*** the Bible, I may be christian, but I don't belive in a God, because I choose to, I don't get corrupted by media and Other people...
All I have to say is, Wraith, your wrong, becuase you shouldn't take control of someones life, and why the Hell should you care? If you sayy everyone is entitled to their opinion, then why can't they be gay? in their eyes thats right, which therfore makes u a Friggin Hypocrite.
The country, USA is messed up becuase of the Republicans screwing everything. Everything was fine, even with the republicans, until, I beileve Ronald Reagan when all republicans started being Conservitive Christain Nutjobs. Bush screwed the economy and now people are blaming Obama. F***ing Obama... THE PROBLEM STARTED BEFORE HE WAS IN OFFICE!!! And now people are starting websites where people are stockpiling weapons apparenty and are going to Murder all the Liberals... There are going to lose since Obama had more Elecorial Votes than anyone ever. So there are obviously more Democrats...
My Opinion Like I said, people should choose what they do and stuff, if you don't agree, TOUGH SH**!!! MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
#40
Posted 07 April 2009 - 12:31 AM
Basically what I'm saying is that things like the Pledge of Allegiance should take a more atheist approach, and not acknowledge any certain religion. We have freedom of religion in the Bill of Rights, for crying out loud!
I'm trying to avoid bashing Christianity, but isn't the MAIN argument for banning homosexual marriage the fact that the bible is against it? Beyond that fact, what is there?
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