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@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:45 PM) especially better imo if you want to update on a topic but like only occasionally (e.g. a project you're working on or a let's play of a game)
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) it's hard for me to explain precisely why but forums just like work better for meaningful discussion over a longer period of time ig
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) but that's def just not hte same ig, idk
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) yeah, you can also kind of respond at your own pace on forums. Discord conversations are often like... it's awkward to respond to something that happened a while ago, especially if the server is active, but even just in general. since you sort of need to keep track of multiple conversations at once at times, and it's not like it has a good reply/quote system ala forums, closest thing really is to copy/paste or screenshot the text you're responding to and then type a response below
@  Elwood : (09 November 2019 - 11:29 AM) Adding on to what's been said, I just enjoy the order and structure of the forums. You can look through the threads and know exactly what people are talking about. Conversation get lost and buried on discord which is why I'm not a big fan of it.
@  kirant : (06 November 2019 - 05:31 AM) I enjoy that part of forums too. They become niche communities where you can have very specialized conversations as opposed to the cluttered mess in Discord.
@  Ezra : (31 October 2019 - 01:17 AM) Yeah, part of me wishes I could go back to the times forums were more prevalent. I really enjoyed how even several different forums based off the same franchise could feel so different. It's not like what we now is bad though, I just feel nostalgic for old times.
@  Fire Blazer : (30 October 2019 - 06:39 AM) also forums in general are just not as prevalent, there are so many other ways to interact these days, like Twitter, FB, Tumblr, etc., where you can just throw your thoughts into the void. I think that's the real issue and that the only people rly interested in forums these days are either super dedicated to whatever they're about, have a specific reason/need to (e.g. support forums), or grew up with them and are thus attached to the idea enough to continue to try and use them (this was kinda me for a while lol but things happen, I couldn't keep it up forever)
@  Fire Blazer : (30 October 2019 - 06:36 AM) I've posted on SF for various reasons ofc but in terms of like making friends and stuff it's p. much just been smaller groups/forums, yeah. mainly FES
@  Elwood : (27 October 2019 - 10:08 PM) Only reason I'm even on Serenes was because I had hacking questions. @Ezra yeah I figured it must be an age thing. I've been called an old man by many a child because I use Facebook.
@  kirant : (26 October 2019 - 09:39 PM) It's strange. I don't think I've ever posted on Serenes...period. I've always been a fan of smaller forums.
@  Ezra : (26 October 2019 - 05:49 AM) I think it's because a lot of newer FE players didn't frequent forums growing up. And those that do probably end up on Serenes.
@  Elwood : (25 October 2019 - 07:30 AM) I would love to revitalize this place I'm just not sure how that would be done. I mean with how main stream FE seems to have become I'm honestly surprised we don't have more members.
@  Fire Blazer : (21 October 2019 - 08:04 PM) tfw u not coming here results in not seeing a PM from last month T_T ok gonna try and check at least every couple weeks now even if there's nothing here, lol...
@  Fire Blazer : (21 October 2019 - 07:54 PM) I come here almost never because I've fallen out of habit and basically just accepted the forums are dead :( it's neat you come here every day tho
@  Elwood : (27 September 2019 - 05:52 AM) I still come here everyday because this is still my homepage in Firefox! XD
@  Ezra : (25 September 2019 - 03:07 PM) I also miss the days the forums I used were more active :(
@  Fire Blazer : (15 September 2019 - 05:39 AM) I do kinda miss the days these forums were active :(
@  Ezra : (29 August 2019 - 04:14 PM) *BOX!!!*
@  kirant : (19 August 2019 - 12:49 PM) Huh. Bothammer time.

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What do you look for/how do you approach artistic works?


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#1 Mercurius

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 01:02 AM

Fortunately I am tired for no reason right now so I won't get up a wall of text that historically leads to inevitably tiny threads.

 

This also means I will have no way of communicating my question eloquently, but fuck it.

 

Like, are you one of those people who feel the need to analyze it to death and discuss its objective values or what.

 

(I only said "artistic works" because I forgot what the catch-all term for TV shows, video games, books, music, and stuff was. Other artistic works like fashion, fine art, character design, and so on aren't really included by intention.)


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Posted 09 June 2015 - 01:44 AM

Do you mean Digital Media? 

If so, I look for whether or not it interests me. That's pretty much it. 


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Posted 09 June 2015 - 04:12 AM

Umm I don't think so? I basically look to be entertained and if I find something else it's a present surprise. 


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Posted 09 June 2015 - 04:16 AM

yeah, no. i don't really like to pick things apart and stuff like that. i just let myself be entertained. i will have joke debates about dbz with irl friends sometimes but that usually happens when we have nothing  better to do. typically they involve how often krillin would die in different situations



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Posted 09 June 2015 - 05:08 AM

A work which has me think far longer than I've observed the work is far more impressive to me than one which is simply "just" entertainment.  It's pretty simple to me: a superior piece delivers a quality product but also causes the viewer to pause and think.

 

I mean, I like giant robots.  But it's pretty face level.  I love Martian Successor Nadesico on the other hand because it delivers that as well as touches on some pretty strange subjects, the best of which being obsession with media, that obsessing over something creates problems despite being a universal language we may all speak.  I similarly love media which don't spoon feed you narrative and know its audience is smart enough to put two and two together.


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Posted 09 June 2015 - 10:11 AM

That's part of being entertained to me. Not wanting to analyze and discuss something is different from not wanting to think about it while watching. Tearing it apart later just takes something away for me.

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 09:52 PM

still tired, can't get much of a wall of text out, urrrrgh

 

The answers of "I just look to be entertained" are pretty useless. The actual question was "what entertains you?" and possibly "what do you think that says about yourself?"

 

I personally always look out for colorful, clean, and pretty aesthetics, for example. I had to quit playing Dishonored because everybody was so ugly and the environment was extremely uncomfortable at times (it is during a plague so) for example. It doesn't matter how critically acclaimed it was. It was even free, and I still quit playing with a bitter taste leftover. In general I have an incredible familiarity bias when I look for stuff I want, because I love having nice memories come again in a different form more than anything.

 

I also take a lighthearted, detached approach to almost everything of this sort. I don't complain about Fire Emblem Amie's possible risks to the franchise, I just go "lolwut??". I'll look at a dramatic scene in a TV show and make it out to be as SERIOUS BUSINESS as possible, deliberately emphasizing whatever potential it has to be cheesy. I'll make comments like "Dat budget tho" when cost-cutting measures must be taken for weekly anime instead of complaining about how the studio isn't doing justice to the product or something. I'll poke fun at any pandering atmospheres even if it doesn't make much sense, like how I always say to the friend that I'm watching "Seraph of the End" with that we're going to watch more "gay vampires" this weekend even though there's only like two male vampires there that's into boys and the most homolicious relationship in the show is dressed up as brotherly love (to which I just go all "Suuuuuuuuuuuure it is.") Whenever a cliche feels like it's coming to come up I'll be all like "OH! OH! INB4!" while pointing my fingers at the screen in the gun gesture. I make comedies out of things that aren't trying to be.

 

In this sense, it's actually detrimental to my enjoyment when something's seriousness is too serious for me to make fun of it somehow, like when I was watching Monster. Additionally, unlike kirant, pretty much nothing makes me pause and think, or at least, nothing has made me feel like it is "profound" or "intellectually rousing", possibly because anything either only expresses ideas that I already knew about or are too esoteric for me to think much of it at all beyond "what the fuck?" Looking at fine art often makes me feel the same way, especially when it's part of the minimalist aesthetic.

 

However, there are a few fictional characters that I have been deeply moved by. These characters are constantly on my mind. Memories and hypothetical situations involving them show up on my mind every week long after I have finished watching/reading/playing whatever is available. They are cherished and obsessed over without end. It's probably horrible to my mental health but it became extremely beneficial to my emotional health because they are always sources of comfort; I'm almost always looking to benefit my emotional health via entertainment because face-to-face human interaction and hard work never does anymore. It's where I get to "play for fun" instead of where I have to "play to win", a refuge. So cases where the phenomenon I just mentioned happens are basically when the work has brought to me it's greatest success (as far as I'm concerned.)

 

Likewise, I suppose what I was most interested in getting out of this thread was what people look for in characters. Some(and when I say that I mean almost everyone that bothers to say anything of detail) people want things like "mystery", "character development", "moral conflict", "subtlety" and "chemistry". i want PALE TWINTAILS uh I mean, my perception doesn't really bother to make a distinction between fictional characters and real people. So what I would want out of real people is the same as what I want out of fictional characters, this generally refers to how many pleasing personality traits and desirable skills they have, how few character flaws they possess, how static/dynamic they are, and how fortunate their situation is. My preference goes to static characters that have few character flaws and several desirable skills who do not have to live through turmoil. The character usually derided as being the least interesting. Dynamic characters with large numbers of flaws that don't have too much going for them who have to put up with growing into a better person and some crap like that are only desirable in the case I want to see them get hurt and deprived of what they want. I feel either nothing or discomfort from seeing them be happy and rewarded. I honestly don't understand what it is that is appealing about those characters to others to the point of which it is considered objectively superior writing, I can't read between their lines, it's never been explained to me beyond its supposedly objective value.

 

Other things I'm thinking about are character creation, spectacle, and the lack of value in plot at the moment but I can't organize my thoughts on it very well right now.

 

Do you mean Digital Media?

Books were included so not really. I guess "something with a story" would be what all of them share in common (including instrumental music.)


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