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@  Fire Blazer : (18 March 2020 - 03:18 AM) hope everyone is managing ok...
@  kirant : (03 March 2020 - 05:41 AM) New challenger approaching!
@  xcrash1998 : (26 February 2020 - 09:55 AM) Not anymore
@  Mage Girl : (17 February 2020 - 02:33 AM) I can safely say I'm so far the only person to post to this shoutbox in 2020...
@  Fire Blazer : (24 December 2019 - 03:17 AM) naw, it's when the bots make collaborated efforts to crawl places, lol
@  kirant : (23 December 2019 - 05:20 AM) What do we do on Index Day? Give each other bots?
@  Fire Blazer : (16 December 2019 - 01:39 AM) LOL
@  xcrash1998 : (30 November 2019 - 11:07 PM) New fictional holiday "Index Day"
@  Fire Blazer : (28 November 2019 - 08:52 PM) yeah just guest bots and stuff I think :( we really were active once upon a time though...
@  kirant : (26 November 2019 - 03:48 PM) No invasion. I imagine a lot of guest bots visiting for indexing purposes.
@  xcrash1998 : (26 November 2019 - 02:15 PM) How is most people online at 959 for the 8th of October of this year? Is that right? Did I miss something or was there somekind of spambot invasion?
@  xcrash1998 : (26 November 2019 - 02:06 PM) I know what you mean, it gets awkard to post something unrelated to the current conversation, and even if somebody picks up on it, it would just become a huge mess in the c hatbox if a multitude of groups talk about different topics.
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:45 PM) especially better imo if you want to update on a topic but like only occasionally (e.g. a project you're working on or a let's play of a game)
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) it's hard for me to explain precisely why but forums just like work better for meaningful discussion over a longer period of time ig
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) but that's def just not hte same ig, idk
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) yeah, you can also kind of respond at your own pace on forums. Discord conversations are often like... it's awkward to respond to something that happened a while ago, especially if the server is active, but even just in general. since you sort of need to keep track of multiple conversations at once at times, and it's not like it has a good reply/quote system ala forums, closest thing really is to copy/paste or screenshot the text you're responding to and then type a response below
@  Elwood : (09 November 2019 - 11:29 AM) Adding on to what's been said, I just enjoy the order and structure of the forums. You can look through the threads and know exactly what people are talking about. Conversation get lost and buried on discord which is why I'm not a big fan of it.
@  kirant : (06 November 2019 - 05:31 AM) I enjoy that part of forums too. They become niche communities where you can have very specialized conversations as opposed to the cluttered mess in Discord.
@  Ezra : (31 October 2019 - 01:17 AM) Yeah, part of me wishes I could go back to the times forums were more prevalent. I really enjoyed how even several different forums based off the same franchise could feel so different. It's not like what we now is bad though, I just feel nostalgic for old times.
@  Fire Blazer : (30 October 2019 - 06:39 AM) also forums in general are just not as prevalent, there are so many other ways to interact these days, like Twitter, FB, Tumblr, etc., where you can just throw your thoughts into the void. I think that's the real issue and that the only people rly interested in forums these days are either super dedicated to whatever they're about, have a specific reason/need to (e.g. support forums), or grew up with them and are thus attached to the idea enough to continue to try and use them (this was kinda me for a while lol but things happen, I couldn't keep it up forever)


So what is it about Serenes that makes it so much more active than us?

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 06:51 AM

Yes I do know that it happens to have a larger member base than we do, which makes more posts, and so on.


What I'm wondering is what made all the big names go (and stay) there, along with all the less relevant members. I saw you cheating on us with Serenes Wolfie HOW DARE YOU Is it the mainsite features that attracts people more (in-depth game info)? Is it just what first comes to mind or what they find on search for fire emblem forums? Is there something their forum features have that we lack?


Is it because almost everybody in our community is male for some reason? Is it the creepy/distasteful leftover threads? Is it me making this problem even worse by possibly reminding users there might be a better forum out there to hang out on?


I mean. We're both Fire Emblem forums. We both have sections for certain members(spriters, modders, anime-watchers, whatever.) We don't have enough mods and didn't have any moderation whatsoever for some period of time far longer than it should have been safe to in order to ban enough people that the mods and staff doesn't like. I know people come and leave soon because they find it too inactive, but there has to have been something that kept elsewhere alive long enough to keep growing...


You know what? I blame the spambots.


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Posted 04 May 2015 - 09:22 AM

I saw you cheating on us with Serenes Wolfie HOW DARE YOU



if it matters tho I still love this place a hell of a lot more then I do SF. and i've already been requested stuff by two people there. WHY.


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Posted 04 May 2015 - 12:52 PM

I think it's more what gets seen first. When you go looking for FE info serenes is one of the first things that comes up,so more people end up there than anywhere else.

Personally though I never had any urge to join the forums there. Not sure why, it just didn't seem like my kind of place.

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 02:51 PM

Looked up "Fire Emblem" (not "Fire Emblem forums" or anything, just "Fire Emblem") on Google, Serenes Forest is on the first page. I think it's because the website itself gets noticed first, for the walkthroughs, the resources and maybe even some custom sprites. The memberbase already being larger than ours helps out a lot, but that's the reason I'm NOT there. 


A more popular site with a larger member base makes way for even more trolls and annoying people in general. I like the little community we have here, active or no, at least I don't have to deal with the people that sign up and take nothing seriously. ... Well, not as often anyway...


Edit: Also, a smaller community means I get to know EVERYONE better, not just a few select members I happen to make friends with and create a small circle of people I hang out with.

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 07:10 PM

So i'm gonna steal a phrase from a book I just read which I think is kinda applicable here. Power attracts Power, clearly I'm trying to say that we are in a war with Serenes. What the phrase means, or at least what I interpret it to mean, is that the more power you have the easier it is to get more power. So basically Serenes is more active because it is more active. The fact that it is already  more active keeps it active, and adds more members thus making it even more active. As to what made it active in the first place I can't really tell you since I wasn't there for that.

I don't really have a solution to making FES as big as Serenes with this answer/point of view, but do we really need one? Some people already said it, but I like this place because it isn't Serenes. It isn't filled with a bunch of people who's names I don't have the time to learn. I know, or at least know of, everyone here, and that, that is freakin' awesome.

The shoutbox (which I don't think SF has) is the other thing that makes FES FES, don't change that. EVER.

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 07:25 PM

Generally speaking, having a large number of members is mainly important for keeping the regulars around, if only for more topics and bumping and so on.


The regulars are the ones that actually matter, but even they aren't going to stick around for that long without enough activity. I would know this given that I did the same thing and probably will again even if it's off forgetting to go the FES and then getting re-addicted when I accidentally check out the place again. The rest of them are just filler that indirectly market FES as a more interesting place.

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 08:38 PM

Looked up "Fire Emblem" (not "Fire Emblem forums" or anything, just "Fire Emblem") on Google, Serenes Forest is on the first page.

That's interesting because I found FES because I googled Fire Emblem Modding and Blazer's Ultimate Tutorial was the first result.

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 09:05 PM

that's because the ultimate tutorial is pretty great. also if you're looking for something specific, you're going to find it as long as it exists. blazer's tutorial is the most comprehensive FE hacking tutorial i've seen so far, so naturally it's going to show up if you search for FE modding stuff.


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Posted 04 May 2015 - 10:47 PM

warning: wall of text incoming, this is mostly directed at Mercurius but is a response in general too




this is sort of a topic I don't want to address because no offense, I'm aware FES isn't super active and hasn't been for a while and might not ever be for a while, but I don't think that constantly addressing it is a good idea. it sort of spreads a sense of negativity and feeling of glum and such. we're essentially putting down FES, the forum we're currently on. how do you think this looks to new members or even older ones? it looks bad. it's depressing. we're definitely way more active than we were before the move and things will still have their ups and downs but let's focus on the positives and keep trying to move up.


There's a lot of reasons why SF is bigger and more active and it also has some shortcomings because of that. Not that I don't want more people here, but eh. I think if we continue to do our part and welcome the new members that come, we'll be alright. Just keep trying and have patience and faith and enjoy your time here. We don't have a lot of reasons for new people to join, that much is true, and I'd like to work on that when I have more free time. The thing is, SF does attract people because of the mainsite but you have Vincent who is very committed to that and doesn't spend a lot of time posting on the forums IMO (not compared to me when I go on a posting spree, anyway). I also have a lot of other responsibilities so I can't do what Vincent does and even if I could, I don't have the energy or skill to match up with him, not to mention he's already filled in that gap. Modding has died down and so has spriting so we need to find some sort of gap that we fill. Unfortunately I'm pretty much a one-man team--Shu hasn't even been able to get the graphics work to me--so it's difficult. I don't have someone like Jyosua dedicated to managing the site and the servers, I don't have dedicated income from ads, and like Snow said, activity draws more activity, which is a huge benefit in itself. The mods also don't carry the weight of not only replying to threads but welcoming new members and making new ones, which is something that in a smaller community like this, is very important: without people constantly posting, those people who only lurk and make a few posts here and there won't feel like posting themselves.


Anyway, it's complicated, and I don't want to censor your concerns by hiding it, but at the same time, it's not really something I want to dwell on right now. Just keep pushing forward. Summer is coming, so are 2 new Fire Emblem games for 3DS and a spin-off/crossover one for Wii U. I'll have more free time and ideally, so will a lot of the members. There's hope and we should stay hopeful and positive and maybe instead of lamenting how the forums aren't as active as others or as they could be, celebrating the fact that we've managed to get both new and old members to come back and post a bit and things are looking way better than they were (even if a lot of members are a lot more inconsistent in their activity--for instance me, Seraph, bb, and Shu don't really visit and post daily or close to it like we used to; if all of our members came and posted every day we'd be in great shape, but not everyone has that free time etc. anymore, so it's understandable...)


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Posted 09 May 2015 - 03:20 PM

Geez Merc. <_<

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