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Capital Punishment: Yay, or nay?


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#21 bblues

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 07:54 PM

I don't get the variety either. Why so many choices for how do die? Witty comments in the papers?

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 08:20 PM

QUOTE (Felover3 @ April 04, 2009 06:21 pm)
^ I was talking the execution itself, not the imprisonment before hand.

Sometiems, humanity is not the best solution....

A box of bullets is like $20

Makes you wonder what they are spending it on...

They both need to be taken into account, to more accurately compare the two options.

A lot of the cost is the amount of legal work, appeals, trials etc. needed, 'cause no one wants to execute an innocent.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:56 PM

Felover, we don't shoot prisoners, anymore, I don't think. We shock them to death. Electric Chair. In most States, I think.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:15 PM

Hah, Holland doesn't even have capital punishment anymore. Or at least, it's illegal. Murder a murderer, and you'll get treated as a murderer, which basically means you'll get a huge-ass long time to spend in jail.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 02:26 AM

How much are pillows? Those are pretty easy to kill with.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 03:11 AM

Ok think of this. I kill you (not aiming at anyone here). Your mom, dad, siblings, grandparents, aunts and uncles, girl/boyfriend or husband/wife and all your friends have to go without you and grieve you. Do you think I deserve my life anymore? I just caused countless people to go through unimaginalbe suffering, and yet some people think it's unhumane to kill me back? Was it humane for me to kill you? Or does that not count just because it didn't cost any money or was on a scheduled date? I say if you kill somebody you no longer deserve to keep your own life. You just made it worthless.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 04:13 AM

^An eye for an eye I like that theory:P

@Ephidel; I must disagree strongly with your original post, serial killers/rapists/arsonists(depending on the death/damage) etc are all valid but wife/child beaters shouldn't be killed.

It's undeniable fact that adult men>women/children in strength but that doesn't really make the act of beating someone else up any more criminal then beating up a fellow man. Your ideology of women and children being a worse crime comes from the level of strength, so if a bodybuilder beat up a geeky college student who spent the majority of his life on online games (or chess if you want to go classic) it's quite clear there is a wide gap in strength. Yet both are adult men.

To be frank your comment is sexist, it implies women need special laws to protect them, since they are weaker. If you look at most societies they're not built in terms of survival of the (physically) fittest. Children however I'm willing to argue, especially if they're your own kids who you are legally required to look after.

A funny quote I read somewhere.
Man A: Please don't kill me, I have a wife and three kids.
Man B: Don't kill me either, I'm engaged and expecting kids who'll support them?
Man C: Yeah don't kill me either mate, I gotta go out to the pub with me drink buddies on Sunday and it's me turn to pay for them.
Terrorist: Okay so who doesn't have anyone who'll grieve for them
*Silence*
Terrorist:Right so all your lives are equal and you'll all die equally.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 07:27 AM

QUOTE (Tino @ April 05, 2009 12:15 am)
Hah, Holland doesn't even have capital punishment anymore. Or at least, it's illegal. Murder a murderer, and you'll get treated as a murderer, which basically means you'll get a huge-ass long time to spend in jail.

Most of Europe (if not all) lacks capital punishment, and murder just results in jail time, as you said.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE (Tino @ April 04, 2009 11:15 pm)
Hah, Holland doesn't even have capital punishment anymore. Or at least, it's illegal. Murder a murderer, and you'll get treated as a murderer, which basically means you'll get a huge-ass long time to spend in jail.

Most people here who are support Capital Punishment are those who live in a country where it is practised.
Which ties in with the interesting fact that when CP was first outlawed in Germany, 73% of the population supported it, while the German support for it today is 18%.
People find acceptable what they are used to.

But seriously, CP is the old concept "an eye for an eye". Which was outdated 2000 years ago, when Jesus said:

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  38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.


Actually Jesus had a lot of good stuff to say about this:

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 01:45 AM

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  38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

And the benefits of that is what?

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You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder,and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.


I'm condemned to the "fire of hell" then. Ah well better then an ideological utopia that can't possibly be as good as portrayed I guess.

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 02:06 AM

Hm. I say screw capital punishment. If someone was killed, chances are they deserved it. I'm anti-humans, so. tongue.gif

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 12:38 PM

QUOTE (Aya-Tsuki @ April 06, 2009 01:45 am)
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  38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

And the benefits of that is what?

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You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder,and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.


I'm condemned to the "fire of hell" then. Ah well better then an ideological utopia that can't possibly be as good as portrayed I guess.

The benefit is a better, nicer world to live in. Violence begets violence.


lolz, I'm an atheist, I don't believe in any of this heaven and hell business. But I do think Jesus was a very progressive thinker for his time, and said a lot of stuff that makes sense.

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 07:54 AM

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It's undeniable fact that adult men>women/children in strength but that doesn't really make the act of beating someone else up any more criminal then beating up a fellow man. Your ideology of women and children being a worse crime comes from the level of strength, so if a bodybuilder beat up a geeky college student who spent the majority of his life on online games (or chess if you want to go classic) it's quite clear there is a wide gap in strength. Yet both are adult men.
No, see, domestic abuse is not assaulting someone, it is beating them over and over again, manipulating them to forgive you, and beating them again. And for God's sake, don't tell me it isn't. My friend's step father abused her and her mother, and I grew up with a man who abused his wife. I know this.

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To be frank your comment is sexist
How so?

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it implies women need special laws to protect them, since they are weaker. If you look at most societies they're not built in terms of survival of the (physically) fittest. Children however I'm willing to argue, especially if they're your own kids who you are legally required to look after.
You said that men are stronger than women. If you agree that men are wired stronger physically, why NOT make laws to protect them? Women are often, not always, but often weaker than most men. It's only fair to protect the weak from the strong. It may not be common, but it is definitely fair. Protecting the weak from the strong is just right.
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 10:00 PM

I'm with Aya-Tsuki I mean "turning the other cheek" could get you killed. If some guy stabs me I'm not gonna say "Thats ok I don't mind. I'll just die quietly and let you take all my stuff." If someone hits me im hitting them back twice as hard.
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 11:41 PM

QUOTE (A1C Grey Peterson @ April 11, 2009 05:00 pm)
I'm with Aya-Tsuki I mean "turning the other cheek" could get you killed. If some guy stabs me I'm not gonna say "Thats ok I don't mind. I'll just die quietly and let you take all my stuff." If someone hits me im hitting them back twice as hard.

That's my philosophy...except I don't like to hit a woman. I will hit a woman, but only if she hits me first.
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 11:59 PM

Statistically, it cost alot more to kill someone then to keep them imprisioned, just throwing that out there.

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 12:03 AM

^Already pointed that out DH xD

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 12:48 AM

QUOTE (DH_Ninja @ April 11, 2009 06:59 pm)
Statistically, it cost alot more to kill someone then to keep them imprisioned, just throwing that out there.

Because we kill in a stupid fashion. Bullets > Fancy electricity and anesthesia.
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Posted 12 April 2009 - 12:30 PM

QUOTE (Ephidel @ April 12, 2009 12:48 am)

Because we kill in a stupid fashion. Bullets > Fancy electricity and anesthesia.

Except that prison guards complained when they got splashed by possibly AIDS infected blood.

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 01:54 PM

*sighs* No, you seem to forget we have a legal system where you can just appeal and appeal and appeal and appeal. It cost alot to have a trial. It happens alot trials where the outcome is execution.




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