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@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:45 PM) especially better imo if you want to update on a topic but like only occasionally (e.g. a project you're working on or a let's play of a game)
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) it's hard for me to explain precisely why but forums just like work better for meaningful discussion over a longer period of time ig
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) but that's def just not hte same ig, idk
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) yeah, you can also kind of respond at your own pace on forums. Discord conversations are often like... it's awkward to respond to something that happened a while ago, especially if the server is active, but even just in general. since you sort of need to keep track of multiple conversations at once at times, and it's not like it has a good reply/quote system ala forums, closest thing really is to copy/paste or screenshot the text you're responding to and then type a response below
@  Elwood : (09 November 2019 - 11:29 AM) Adding on to what's been said, I just enjoy the order and structure of the forums. You can look through the threads and know exactly what people are talking about. Conversation get lost and buried on discord which is why I'm not a big fan of it.
@  kirant : (06 November 2019 - 05:31 AM) I enjoy that part of forums too. They become niche communities where you can have very specialized conversations as opposed to the cluttered mess in Discord.
@  Ezra : (31 October 2019 - 01:17 AM) Yeah, part of me wishes I could go back to the times forums were more prevalent. I really enjoyed how even several different forums based off the same franchise could feel so different. It's not like what we now is bad though, I just feel nostalgic for old times.
@  Fire Blazer : (30 October 2019 - 06:39 AM) also forums in general are just not as prevalent, there are so many other ways to interact these days, like Twitter, FB, Tumblr, etc., where you can just throw your thoughts into the void. I think that's the real issue and that the only people rly interested in forums these days are either super dedicated to whatever they're about, have a specific reason/need to (e.g. support forums), or grew up with them and are thus attached to the idea enough to continue to try and use them (this was kinda me for a while lol but things happen, I couldn't keep it up forever)
@  Fire Blazer : (30 October 2019 - 06:36 AM) I've posted on SF for various reasons ofc but in terms of like making friends and stuff it's p. much just been smaller groups/forums, yeah. mainly FES
@  Elwood : (27 October 2019 - 10:08 PM) Only reason I'm even on Serenes was because I had hacking questions. @Ezra yeah I figured it must be an age thing. I've been called an old man by many a child because I use Facebook.
@  kirant : (26 October 2019 - 09:39 PM) It's strange. I don't think I've ever posted on Serenes...period. I've always been a fan of smaller forums.
@  Ezra : (26 October 2019 - 05:49 AM) I think it's because a lot of newer FE players didn't frequent forums growing up. And those that do probably end up on Serenes.
@  Elwood : (25 October 2019 - 07:30 AM) I would love to revitalize this place I'm just not sure how that would be done. I mean with how main stream FE seems to have become I'm honestly surprised we don't have more members.
@  Fire Blazer : (21 October 2019 - 08:04 PM) tfw u not coming here results in not seeing a PM from last month T_T ok gonna try and check at least every couple weeks now even if there's nothing here, lol...
@  Fire Blazer : (21 October 2019 - 07:54 PM) I come here almost never because I've fallen out of habit and basically just accepted the forums are dead :( it's neat you come here every day tho
@  Elwood : (27 September 2019 - 05:52 AM) I still come here everyday because this is still my homepage in Firefox! XD
@  Ezra : (25 September 2019 - 03:07 PM) I also miss the days the forums I used were more active :(
@  Fire Blazer : (15 September 2019 - 05:39 AM) I do kinda miss the days these forums were active :(
@  Ezra : (29 August 2019 - 04:14 PM) *BOX!!!*
@  kirant : (19 August 2019 - 12:49 PM) Huh. Bothammer time.

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#1 Mercurius

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Posted 31 August 2016 - 04:44 AM

Humans as a whole are likely to look to themselves as good, to see themselves as above the petty, astonished at the kinds of words and expressions that would escape another only to deny that very evidence in their ultimate evaluation of humanity and its evolution over the savages of times past who might as well not count as actual people for their misdeeds. The very word "humane" exists in description of a forgiving and compassionate attitude, our standards for what would constitute decency so great only for our collective greatness taken for granted.*

 

Except then you can bring anything regarded as bad writing and relatively well-known and the common man will work to pave all roads going straight down to hell in a fortnight several times over.

 

Justin Bieber, Michael Bay, Stephanie Meyer, Kawahara Reki, it's not as though I personally like any of these people either. (Well, honestly, I know close to nothing about Justin Bieber besides him being generally shit on.) However, I've said before that it's like people are looking for an excuse to hate for it's own sake when they go on to focus so much on these particular individuals, and now I'm thinking, is that the real reason why in such circumstances, it becomes so easy for people to get on a high horse when feeling like being an unabashed slanderer?

 

People know who those are, people can find what they've made as well as several news articles on them and a significant community to fall back on, and are without need to generalize those persons as a group. They can turn hatred to unified discussion and cultivate its reasoning, and at the end of the day, walk away and tell themselves they're some of the nicest people they've ever met. It is good and socially acceptable to look to another's work and take it as evidence for speaking against the creator's character, a cultured, virtuous, and mature activity for one to have themselves partake. However if they were to say the same towards an unknown or the everyday person of the streets publicly, they would have no chance to retain their integrity, either in the eyes of others or for those who are of any self-awareness, the eyes of the self.

 

That it would be easier to excuse is clearly evident, but then comes the question, why is it so interesting for people to band together in hatred? I speak as a hater, I know what hate is like, on the receiving end and on the assault. I know that it is less a decision and more of an impulse in contrast to what many would suggest to give themselves the opportunity to look down on the likes of me. I know that it isn't really an enjoyable thing to be feeling, and without evident results to come alongside it, it makes me look to myself even worse. The hate people will have for these kinds of people are unlikely to have serious effect on them unless they are the kind of people who would commit suicide after receiving one too many death threats or something of the like.

 

There is only one reason that really comes to mind for the reason why so many would revel in camaraderie born of malice, and that is what I was once told by another who spoke well of the community they were among, only for how it was too busy directing most of its hatred towards the game company to hate on each other. That also got me thinking about the communities out there that talk a lot of shit towards another community...they may take jabs and jokes at each other's expense as many would disregarding the insults as mere friendly banter, but if they want to get serious on feeding the ego, it's best to go all out on someone that won't bother talking back.

 

*Some time ago I was in discussion with someone who was, as relevant to the topic at hand, going out of their way to debase a protagonist and its author of something they never bothered to even read. This same person will look to someone(the protagonist they're talking shit about) that will willingly endanger themselves into going further into an extremely life-endangering situation for people that very clearly tried to screw them over, and disregard this act of heroics as being anything just any good friend out there ought to do, even though they themselves go about sneering about in contempt for those they find beneath them. That we mutually find each other a laughable existence is no coincidence.


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Posted 31 August 2016 - 11:21 AM

There is only one reason that really comes to mind for the reason why so many would revel in camaraderie born of malice, and that is what I was once told by another who spoke well of the community they were among, only for how it was too busy directing most of its hatred towards the game company to hate on each other.

This is a good point. However, I think one reason why this kind of thing might happen is because people generally like it when they find others with the same opinion.

 

I say this as somebody who really enjoys complaining about video game mechanics that frustrate her, to the point that my friends actually get quite sick of it. Pokemon is one of the biggest offenders these days, due to how far they've deviated from the Pokemon of my childhood, and also for its various other annoyances that I won't go into. If I complain about my frustrations to my friends who like the game, they end up annoyed at me. However, if I happen to find someone who shares my same frustrations, we can vent about the mechanics together and, in a sense, make the game slightly more bearable in the process. That being said, I have not actually found anyone who shares my same dislikes for how recent games handle themselves...

 

This is probably slightly off topic, since you're speaking mostly of people who hate on something for basically no reason at all, but I thought I'd throw my two cents in anyway.


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Posted 31 August 2016 - 04:03 PM

Well it's not just that they do it for no reason, but also that it's most focused when it's on a particular real person. There's this idea of criticism of an author's character being seen as a great thing to be doing with your life and those idiots who go about not bothering to think about such things are practically an embarrassment to humanity- even though doing the same thing to people that aren't quite so big name is conversely commonly seen as worthy of belittlement.

 

I mean, I complain about game mechanics, we complain about franchises we're supposed to be supporting (Fates didn't do so well all around...) but rarely do any of us bother to call out the actual creators on their decisions, especially when it has to do with morals or perceptions of reality. (Though we might say fuck you to the marketers for attracting an unwanted audience.)


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