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@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:45 PM) especially better imo if you want to update on a topic but like only occasionally (e.g. a project you're working on or a let's play of a game)
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) it's hard for me to explain precisely why but forums just like work better for meaningful discussion over a longer period of time ig
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) but that's def just not hte same ig, idk
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) yeah, you can also kind of respond at your own pace on forums. Discord conversations are often like... it's awkward to respond to something that happened a while ago, especially if the server is active, but even just in general. since you sort of need to keep track of multiple conversations at once at times, and it's not like it has a good reply/quote system ala forums, closest thing really is to copy/paste or screenshot the text you're responding to and then type a response below
@  Elwood : (09 November 2019 - 11:29 AM) Adding on to what's been said, I just enjoy the order and structure of the forums. You can look through the threads and know exactly what people are talking about. Conversation get lost and buried on discord which is why I'm not a big fan of it.
@  kirant : (06 November 2019 - 05:31 AM) I enjoy that part of forums too. They become niche communities where you can have very specialized conversations as opposed to the cluttered mess in Discord.
@  Ezra : (31 October 2019 - 01:17 AM) Yeah, part of me wishes I could go back to the times forums were more prevalent. I really enjoyed how even several different forums based off the same franchise could feel so different. It's not like what we now is bad though, I just feel nostalgic for old times.
@  Fire Blazer : (30 October 2019 - 06:39 AM) also forums in general are just not as prevalent, there are so many other ways to interact these days, like Twitter, FB, Tumblr, etc., where you can just throw your thoughts into the void. I think that's the real issue and that the only people rly interested in forums these days are either super dedicated to whatever they're about, have a specific reason/need to (e.g. support forums), or grew up with them and are thus attached to the idea enough to continue to try and use them (this was kinda me for a while lol but things happen, I couldn't keep it up forever)
@  Fire Blazer : (30 October 2019 - 06:36 AM) I've posted on SF for various reasons ofc but in terms of like making friends and stuff it's p. much just been smaller groups/forums, yeah. mainly FES
@  Elwood : (27 October 2019 - 10:08 PM) Only reason I'm even on Serenes was because I had hacking questions. @Ezra yeah I figured it must be an age thing. I've been called an old man by many a child because I use Facebook.
@  kirant : (26 October 2019 - 09:39 PM) It's strange. I don't think I've ever posted on Serenes...period. I've always been a fan of smaller forums.
@  Ezra : (26 October 2019 - 05:49 AM) I think it's because a lot of newer FE players didn't frequent forums growing up. And those that do probably end up on Serenes.
@  Elwood : (25 October 2019 - 07:30 AM) I would love to revitalize this place I'm just not sure how that would be done. I mean with how main stream FE seems to have become I'm honestly surprised we don't have more members.
@  Fire Blazer : (21 October 2019 - 08:04 PM) tfw u not coming here results in not seeing a PM from last month T_T ok gonna try and check at least every couple weeks now even if there's nothing here, lol...
@  Fire Blazer : (21 October 2019 - 07:54 PM) I come here almost never because I've fallen out of habit and basically just accepted the forums are dead :( it's neat you come here every day tho
@  Elwood : (27 September 2019 - 05:52 AM) I still come here everyday because this is still my homepage in Firefox! XD
@  Ezra : (25 September 2019 - 03:07 PM) I also miss the days the forums I used were more active :(
@  Fire Blazer : (15 September 2019 - 05:39 AM) I do kinda miss the days these forums were active :(
@  Ezra : (29 August 2019 - 04:14 PM) *BOX!!!*
@  kirant : (19 August 2019 - 12:49 PM) Huh. Bothammer time.

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#1 Dave Strider

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 02:36 PM

Ok, I've been seeing a truckload of people here who think Ross is better than Garcia, when realistically, it's much the other way around. Anybody who wants to debate me about it, post here. I'll debate the first person who asks to, because I'm really wanting to show that Ross isn't really that good.
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 02:38 PM

Ross has more lvl ing up(more stat gain) and can become beserker(i dotn care bot that one) and can support with amelia and ewan
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 02:38 PM

Ross > Garcia

Berserker > Warrior/Hero

Ross only needs a bit of babying and that is only at like the 3rd chapter meaning you don't miss out on other units at all.

With or without tutorial doesn't matter, Just that Garcia might get an extra useless kill with the tutorial. Garcia doesn't gain experience at that time tongue.gif
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 02:51 PM

Actually Kiara it's Hero > Berserker/Warrior

Just for that handy bit of speed, Ross isn't hitting any caps as Berserker
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 02:53 PM

QUOTE (Seraphinox @ August 27, 2009 03:51 pm)
Actually Kiara it's Hero > Berserker/Warrior

Just for that handy bit of speed, Ross isn't hitting any caps as Berserker

Ross can become all three I believe Unless that is just cause I hacked it but I think he can become all three so it is down to the favoritism.
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 03:04 PM

QUOTE (badkiara103 @ August 27, 2009 10:38 am)
Ross > Garcia

Berserker > Warrior/Hero

Ross only needs a bit of babying and that is only at like the 3rd chapter meaning you don't miss out on other units at all.

With or without tutorial doesn't matter, Just that Garcia might get an extra useless kill with the tutorial. Garcia doesn't gain experience at that time tongue.gif

Still, not needing babying>needing babying. wanna do an actual debate in the debate section, I meant?
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 03:23 PM

Zerker gives critical, though.
Garcia is obviously>Ross unless you're arena/boss/whatevertheheckelse abusing Ross.
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 03:56 PM

i made ross lvl 15-20 wairror without any abusing at all BEFORE CH 9
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:06 PM

QUOTE (Kingultra @ August 27, 2009 11:56 am)
i made ross lvl 15-20 wairror without any abusing at all BEFORE CH 9

Impossible. You don't get an ocean seal/ hero crest/master seal by then, and you couldn't have promoted ross. unless you cheated, which doesn't count.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:06 PM

How did you get the hero thing or the oceal seal before then <.<
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:17 PM

i mean fighter

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:35 PM

That would have taken EXTREME favoritism. Seriously, non trainees arent' expected to promote until chapter 15. Being ready to promote at chapter nine is ridiculous. Oh, and if you want to have that count as an advantage for Ross, just imagine what that would do for Garcia and how much easier it would have been?
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:37 PM

so is anybody gonna debate me or not? I saw some massive ross favoritsm in the FE8 tier list, but nobody questions me here?

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:46 PM

they have power in that thread, and not here


also i did same for garcia, and guess who got better stats(ill give a hint, ROSS)
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:55 PM

This is about debates. Of course they can say Ross>Garcia here.

Personal Experience means nothing. Just because your Ross was better than you Garcia at level 20, it doesn't mean every Ross is better than every Garcia when they are both at level 20. Also, did you use any stat boosters?
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:56 PM

no i save all stat boosters for ephraim
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:57 PM

QUOTE (Rujio @ August 27, 2009 05:35 pm)
That would have taken EXTREME favoritism. Seriously, non trainees arent' expected to promote until chapter 15. Being ready to promote at chapter nine is ridiculous. Oh, and if you want to have that count as an advantage for Ross, just imagine what that would do for Garcia and how much easier it would have been?

One little fail chapter and ross is level 10 , promoting at the start of the next chapter.

That one little chapter (the chapter with neimi and colm) doesn't matter all that much. Let Ross kill from far away and if you do it good you have him to level 10.

A bit of babying/favoritism but damn, it IS worth it.

After him promoting to Pirate or Fighter he will do pretty lots of damage with high hit rate as well. And with the extra levels he gets before promoting to the normal tier (aka first tier) he will get more level ups then Garcia and most likely end up getting good.

I do have to agree with Amelia or Ewan. You get them too late to train them without tower abusing.
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 05:01 PM

The thing is Ross does not end up spectacular like you're saying, he ends up mediocre, so in the end training him is a waste
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 05:18 PM

QUOTE (badkiara103 @ August 27, 2009 12:57 pm)
QUOTE (Rujio @ August 27, 2009 05:35 pm)
That would have taken EXTREME favoritism. Seriously, non trainees arent' expected to promote until chapter 15. Being ready to promote at chapter nine is ridiculous. Oh, and if you want to have that count as an advantage for Ross, just imagine what that would do for Garcia and how much easier it would have been?

One little fail chapter and ross is level 10 , promoting at the start of the next chapter.

That one little chapter (the chapter with neimi and colm) doesn't matter all that much. Let Ross kill from far away and if you do it good you have him to level 10.

A bit of babying/favoritism but damn, it IS worth it.

After him promoting to Pirate or Fighter he will do pretty lots of damage with high hit rate as well. And with the extra levels he gets before promoting to the normal tier (aka first tier) he will get more level ups then Garcia and most likely end up getting good.

I do have to agree with Amelia or Ewan. You get them too late to train them without tower abusing.

But why does Ross get to boss abuse, but not Garcia? Is that really fair? No. If Ross gets to boss abuse to Lvel 10 journeyman, Garcia gets to boss abuse to lv 20 fighter. Let me see...

Journeyman!Ross Lv 10/0/0, HP:21.3, Str:9.5, Skl:5.15, Spd:5.7, Luk:11.6 Def: 5.25, Res:1.8
Fighter!Garcaia Lv 20/0 HP:40.8, Str:18.4, Skl:13.4, Spd:10.2, Luk:9.4, Def:9, Res:3.4

Oh hey look guys, Garcia wtfpwns Ross in every stat except lolluck. He practically has 2x as much HP, str, spd, def and res, and practically 3x as much skill. sure he loses in luk but nobody cares about luk unless it's liek 0. And there not getting crit by these fail enemies anyway.

"but that's not fair"
Boss abuse isn't fair. Thus it isn't a valid argument, and shouldn't be considered in tier lists or debates. I rest my case.
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 05:27 PM

ah but ross gets another 20 lvls before becomeing lvl 20 fighter

so he can get higher stats
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