Posted 19 April 2009 - 11:53 AM
tl;dr
| QUOTE (AS Deadly @ April 13, 2009 11:03 pm) |
| I frequently see CLEARLY heterosexual males displaying acts of homosexualism. |
What a retarded statement.
If they display homosexuality, than how for ****s sake are they clearly heterosexual? Simply put, they aren't.
| QUOTE (Felover3 @ April 14, 2009 01:04 am) |
| Most people complain to get attention, and slitting your wrists gets sympathy. |
Excuse me, but I've never heard of people getting sympathy for slitting their wrists. If anything, it disgusts other people and makes them racist and/or prejudicial towards those people who as a matter of fact do slit their wrists, no matter which reason they have to do so.
| QUOTE (Aya-Tsuki @ April 14, 2009 08:23 am) |
| Hmm emo's. I don't really agree with most of what's been said here. I mean alot of people "the stereotypes" are indeed people who act "emo" to seek attention, after observing 3 highschools I found that the Year 8's (the youngest lot) often claimed to be emo and dressed in ways that would imply emo. These people are plain attention seekers, it's hard to question otherwise. |
Agreed.
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| On the other hand you have people who literally suffer from some "dark idea" I mean depression is a pshycologically accepted state of mind, and calling everyone with depression "emo" (in the attention seeking sense) is perhaps wrong. |
I don't know where you even got the idea that as soon as someone's depressed, the general view on that person becomes that he's emo. I can tell you what that idea is, though: retarded.
There are plenty of people who have a depression from time to time, and then live their life as they did before when that's over. Does this make them emo during those small periods of depression? Obviously not. Girls are sometimes depressed when they're having their period. Does this automatically make them emo for one day? That's one hell of a rhetorical question, because the answer is obviously no, no matter who asks the question.
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| It applies to the typical wrist cutting, I mean anyone can get a knife put it up against their wrist and say "I'm emo" but the act of actually cutting yourself is another matter. My personal belief is if they want to die, let them die. But I wouldn't call them attention seekers just because they botched a suicide attempt. |
Suicidal performances are no worse than plain murders. Mustlim-extremists crash some plains into the World Trade Center and want to die there because Allah told them to do so. Does this make their performance just?
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I disagree with the heterosexual argument though, from what I believe I think the homosexuality in that comes from two things, one is loneliness and being weak willed to the extent you will seek acceptance in anything and that includes another fellow "emo" whether they be male or female.
The second is homosexual tendencies that harbour within the individual, one could be an "emo" yet hate the male/male kissing. Because they have a strong anti-homosexual belief. This is an exception (as Kensai(?) said) but I'm sure if they wanted attention they would have chosen a more... socially accepted method of gaining it. And it's not like trying to kill yourself isn't going to get them enough attention as it is. |
It's as I said when I commented on AS Deadly's post: If they display homosexuality, than how for ****s sake are they clearly heterosexual? Simply put, they aren't.
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| Overall I don't have anything against the actual "emo's" while I find the wannabe emo's distasteful. If your attitude is that they are all mere attention seekers then perhaps you are right, but society gives attention to them by choice, if it wanted to it could most likely ignore it (as it's done to many minorities in the past) |
There are people who are emo, and there are people who aren't. There's nothing in-between. There also aren't partial terrorists.
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| what most of you are discussing seems like fashion to me, something that grew popular in a minority group that the general public isn't too happy about, as proof alot of supposed emo's dress like them but aren't even remotely 'emo" inside. |
The way emos dress is one of the major things that distinguishes them from other people, so it's a topic that's definitely worth discussing.
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| I personally think the world sucks, I think that I'm alone in this big scary world. However on the same note I don't really give a damn, the world sucks it always has, I'll whinge about it cause it's there but I also know my whining isn't going to change anything. |
I think I've used this term multiple times in this post already, but I'm going to call you a retard for thinking this. Anyone who thinks the world is crap is retarded, in my opinion. Think of me as being retarded myself for saying that, but it's true. You're a living human being. Get something out of that life instead of... whatever you do with it.
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| This probably puts me somewhere in the emo category but I definetely won't kill myself because the world sucks, that's the worlds problem why should I die because of it? |
****tard.
Yes, you heard that right. I made an insulting comment towards you.
It's the world's problem that you think it sucks? I've never heard such a hilarious statement, and therefore I really hope you're joking, but I am 99.999999% sure you aren't. It's exactly the other way around. It's your problem that you think the world sucks. Why is it like that? Because the world isn't going to change just because there's a certain culture who thinks the world is nothing but a bunch of crap. Instead, those who have such beliefs are actual personalities who actually can change their state of mind and actually do something good with their life without continuously whining about how much the world sucks.
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| On that note it's funny how guys making out can = emo, but when girls do it most males think of it as hot >_> Twisted logic right there. |
Homesexual actions that people take are only very rarely being related to the emo culture by the vast majority of the people. Besides, people feeling attracted to other people of the same gender is very normal in modern society.
Though I do agree with you that the logic is twisted, it's not because of the reason you stated.
| QUOTE (Leo @ April 14, 2009 10:35 am) |
| I'm taking offense to that. It's not posible to tell someone's orientation by looking, any more than you can tell their favourite colour. Some people may "act gay" to make it obvious if they wish, but the majority just act normal and you can't tell. This is speaking as someone who is Bi |
This can have various meanings, all of which should be fairly obvious, but I'll list them nonetheless. You are either bisexual, homosexual, or quickly insulted. I'm not going to bother finding out which of the three it is.
Yes, you often can tell when people are gay. They often are dressed differently than heterosexual people, they are often friends with many more females than they are with males, the infamous "gay hand", and so on.
And the same applies to many other things. A person's looks and behavior can all be measured against various general symptoms of a certain orientation and can therefore be used to determine one's orientation. Granted, this doesn't always work out, but this can be applies the vast majority of the time to the vast majority of the people.
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| Girls making out is hot (guys doing it is just as hot though). |
This totally makes me think you indeed are bisexual, which is one of the options I listed above.
Not that it matters to me, I'm just saying it for the sake of saying it.
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| About the whole emo=gay thing, LGBT people often are quite harshly bullied in schools, and therefore have a cause to be depressed and emo-like. |
As I already implied above, depression is never automatically associated with the emo culture.
| QUOTE (Aya-Tsuki @ April 16, 2009 02:53 am) |
| I disagree, this is your opinion of the issue, and you can hardly prove that they are pretending no matter how good your sex-radar is. |
Similarly, it's your opinion that it's the other way around. I, however, agree with neither of you.
It's true that there's a general concensus towards emos that says things like "depressed, cuts wrists, hates the world, etc", which would explain why it could be a stereotype. On the other hand, there are emos who do indeed fit the description of being depressed all the time, cutting themselves and hating world and all whatnot, which means that it also could be a psychologic analysis.
However, considering how there's a good amount of people who has a different view on emos, and how there are also emos who do not cut themselves, who do not always hate the world, et cetera, it also can't be seen as a psychological analyses.
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| I sense contradiction in this as well, earlier (It may have been somone else) self-harm was mentioned, and in most cases "emo's" don't go around showing their wounds going "Look at me! I cut myself" Sure they get the attention when their injured but that could quite easily be contained in a small group of people. |
If it wasn't Kensai who mentioned the self-harm, then there also isn't a contradiction. That's just common sense. You should check who said what before you start mumbling things randomly, which this seems to be due to you not checking who's arguments you're actually countering.
Anyways.
No, emos indeed don't showcase their wounds, but what you're mentioning in the little paragraph I'm replying to right now are two completely distinct things.
"They don't showcase their wounds!"
"They showcase their wounds in contained groups!"
If anyone's being contradicting at the moment, it's you.
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| Also hating oneself and committing suicide are not the same thing, that would be the same as hating someone and murder, do you murder everyone you dislike? |
Those aren't similar scenarios. At all.
The emos you're mentioning now are those that hate the world completely and want to escape from it by committing suicide. When a person hates someone else so much that he wants to place a bullet in the other person's head, that person isn't sick of the world, but simply sick of one person.
I've no idea where you even got the idea of comparing these two completely distinct scenarios.
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| There is also the factor of fear, and mentaly instability where the individual has convinced themselves they are worthless but subconciously they still retain the "normal" human idea that they're life is not worthless, I personally call this hope, and hope is the pre-mature version of despair, hence unless one can convince themselves their not worthless suicide may be the end result when despair is heaped ontop of their already sorry beliefs. |
If they're not conscious of their idea that they aren't worthless, then that's also not hope. When you hope, you wish for something with expectation of its fulfillment, which means you must be conscious of what your idea is. If you're not, then you also can't get hope from that idea.
Get your terminology right before you start making claims.
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| Also, if I said emos are gay, I did not mean in a homosexual way. If you are refering to what Deadly said, he meant emo = fake gay. Which is most of the time true. |
What the hell is "fake gay" supposed to mean? This is a serious, mature debate. Vague terms like those shouldn't be used at all, unless their vagueness is appropriate, which it definitely isn't at this moment.
I'm not going to bother countering the rest of this post since I already reflected my counters to those arguments earlier in this post.
Though there is still one thing:
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| From what you've said in the above I get the impression you are the type of person who is self centered. (Which is not a bad thing in my perspective) Those who you dislike are all an inferior "fake" group, those you judge as homosexual become homosexual. (@Kensai: Couldn't find our last spat but this could be one?) |
Don't pretend you're some kind of psychologist. Seriously.
And now I'm sick of having typed so much, and this was basically everything I wanted to say anyway.
