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@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:45 PM) especially better imo if you want to update on a topic but like only occasionally (e.g. a project you're working on or a let's play of a game)
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) it's hard for me to explain precisely why but forums just like work better for meaningful discussion over a longer period of time ig
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) but that's def just not hte same ig, idk
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) yeah, you can also kind of respond at your own pace on forums. Discord conversations are often like... it's awkward to respond to something that happened a while ago, especially if the server is active, but even just in general. since you sort of need to keep track of multiple conversations at once at times, and it's not like it has a good reply/quote system ala forums, closest thing really is to copy/paste or screenshot the text you're responding to and then type a response below
@  Elwood : (09 November 2019 - 11:29 AM) Adding on to what's been said, I just enjoy the order and structure of the forums. You can look through the threads and know exactly what people are talking about. Conversation get lost and buried on discord which is why I'm not a big fan of it.
@  kirant : (06 November 2019 - 05:31 AM) I enjoy that part of forums too. They become niche communities where you can have very specialized conversations as opposed to the cluttered mess in Discord.
@  Ezra : (31 October 2019 - 01:17 AM) Yeah, part of me wishes I could go back to the times forums were more prevalent. I really enjoyed how even several different forums based off the same franchise could feel so different. It's not like what we now is bad though, I just feel nostalgic for old times.
@  Fire Blazer : (30 October 2019 - 06:39 AM) also forums in general are just not as prevalent, there are so many other ways to interact these days, like Twitter, FB, Tumblr, etc., where you can just throw your thoughts into the void. I think that's the real issue and that the only people rly interested in forums these days are either super dedicated to whatever they're about, have a specific reason/need to (e.g. support forums), or grew up with them and are thus attached to the idea enough to continue to try and use them (this was kinda me for a while lol but things happen, I couldn't keep it up forever)
@  Fire Blazer : (30 October 2019 - 06:36 AM) I've posted on SF for various reasons ofc but in terms of like making friends and stuff it's p. much just been smaller groups/forums, yeah. mainly FES
@  Elwood : (27 October 2019 - 10:08 PM) Only reason I'm even on Serenes was because I had hacking questions. @Ezra yeah I figured it must be an age thing. I've been called an old man by many a child because I use Facebook.
@  kirant : (26 October 2019 - 09:39 PM) It's strange. I don't think I've ever posted on Serenes...period. I've always been a fan of smaller forums.
@  Ezra : (26 October 2019 - 05:49 AM) I think it's because a lot of newer FE players didn't frequent forums growing up. And those that do probably end up on Serenes.
@  Elwood : (25 October 2019 - 07:30 AM) I would love to revitalize this place I'm just not sure how that would be done. I mean with how main stream FE seems to have become I'm honestly surprised we don't have more members.
@  Fire Blazer : (21 October 2019 - 08:04 PM) tfw u not coming here results in not seeing a PM from last month T_T ok gonna try and check at least every couple weeks now even if there's nothing here, lol...
@  Fire Blazer : (21 October 2019 - 07:54 PM) I come here almost never because I've fallen out of habit and basically just accepted the forums are dead :( it's neat you come here every day tho
@  Elwood : (27 September 2019 - 05:52 AM) I still come here everyday because this is still my homepage in Firefox! XD
@  Ezra : (25 September 2019 - 03:07 PM) I also miss the days the forums I used were more active :(
@  Fire Blazer : (15 September 2019 - 05:39 AM) I do kinda miss the days these forums were active :(
@  Ezra : (29 August 2019 - 04:14 PM) *BOX!!!*
@  kirant : (19 August 2019 - 12:49 PM) Huh. Bothammer time.

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Revelation has the worst storytelling. (spoilers)


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#1 Blue Leafeon

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 11:57 AM

Okay, I know I'm infinitely slower than everyone else, but after playing the first two games, I find that my "new game" effect has already worn off, and I'm struggling to beat it. (Obviously related to what Merc said in his topic)

 

Anyway...

 

So I went into these games knowing that the story sucked because everyone kept saying so. So up until this point--that is, the point when Scarlet dies in Revelation--I've just kind of been handwaving everything and not giving a care.

 

However, the chapter where Scarlet dies--which is almost literally right after you get her--is where things took a MAJOR turn for the worse. It's like the writers wrote in this whole RyomaxScarlet thing JUST to make things a little more dramatic, but this fails because obviously they don't care enough about Scarlet to really do anything beyond "ohey she died. CARRY ON."

 

She at least got a "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO" out of the avatar, but Ryoma's reaction to the whole thing completely defeats the purpose of shipping the two in the first place. He takes it very calmly...and probably just grieves off screen. Okay, whatever. It's not like I really cared about Scarlet.

 

The real sin comes a few chapters later. I'm sure you all know what it is if you've gotten this far. The enemy commander makes a comment on "I knew you wouldn't listen to reason. So I brought a friend of yours." so I was just like "k, who is it?" I scan the battlefield, realize it's Scarlet because she's the only unit who's died at this point, search for a wyvernrider, find her,  and then go "Okay, the game better make a big deal out of this."

 

Then the game lol'd at me and was like "yeah nope."

 

Nothing. Absolutely nothing is said beyond what the enemy commander hinted. Scarlet attacks one of my units--now possibly this could have been different if she had chosen Ryoma or the avatar, but she picked somebody else--and dies. And nobody ever says anything. NOBODY CARES THEY JUST RE-KILLED SCARLET. NOBODY CARES THAT SHE WAS EVEN THERE.

 

And the scene after the battle was completely taken over by Azura's mother. It's like the devs started to bring Scarlet back for dramatics, but either completely forgot about this, or decided that it would be better to focus on someone else instead.

 

As a writer, I understand that the biggest thing about storytelling is making the reader forget they're reading. To do this, you need to NOT break the Willing Suspension of Disbelief. Now, various people have various levels of willing suspension, and I find that I am somewhat more lenient than most when it comes to weak stories. (A lifetime of playing Pokemon games is probably the culprit there.) I have been willing to ignore my suspension being broken thus far with the former two variants of this game, and even FEA the first few times around, but the moment Revelation did this. The moment they brought Scarlet back and completely forgot about it, was the moment my suspension shattered. And I don't think it's going to recover.

 

I don't really care about Scarlet, but the way the writers went about this is absolutely irritating.

 

You don't kill someone off just to kill them off. You don't bring them back as a reanimated corpse just to show you can. There's a rule for storywriting which says that every detail needs to be important. Now, I don't stick to that clause 100% because I do like giving details about surroundings or whatever, but in this instance, I feel it really applies.

There was nothing said. Her re-existence wasn't even acknowledged, except by the enemy. If she wasn't brought back to make the characters go D8 !! "OHNO! WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?" then pray tell, what is the point of bringing her back at all? Her reappearance has nothing to do with the story. It brings nothing to the plate. She's there just because she's there. Now, yes, she might have had special dialogue with a couple of people, but because of the way she attacks on her own, and because you really can't reach her before she reaches you, it's very, VERY unlikely you'll get to see whatever special dialogue exists.

 

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going back to playing Sims 3 because that's FAR more entertaining. :D


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Posted 10 April 2016 - 03:21 PM

Revelations is to me, one of the worst fire emblems to date. It's story is more offensive than either conquest or birthright and the gimmicky gameplay is just terrible. 

 

Also they dropped such a huge ball when they had the whole reanimation of past figures and didn't bring the original Garon for development of the nohr royals. Nope couldn't do that and make Garon a better character, just have to keep him 100% evil always. 


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Posted 10 April 2016 - 09:37 PM

Revelations is to me, one of the worst fire emblems to date. It's story is more offensive than either conquest or birthright and the gimmicky gameplay is just terrible. 

 

Also they dropped such a huge ball when they had the whole reanimation of past figures and didn't bring the original Garon for development of the nohr royals. Nope couldn't do that and make Garon a better character, just have to keep him 100% evil always. 

Dragon veins ftl.

 

Yeah, even though it's CLEARLY stated in some supports that he used to NOT be evil. CAN'T LET US SEE IT THOUGH, CAN THEY?


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