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@  xcrash1998 : (21 September 2018 - 05:46 PM) I like games that actually reward you for reaching more difficult objectives.
A good example would be the golden ballon in Super Mario Oddisey it more like a trophy and less like an in game side note of what you did.
@  Fire Blazer : (17 September 2018 - 07:13 AM) but like yeah I get more trophies/achievements in games that I just happened to play more bcuz the game itself was fun or w/e and it's like oh ok i also will get these things just through doing the stuff i wanted to do anyway, that's cool i guess lol
@  Fire Blazer : (17 September 2018 - 07:08 AM) like they don't rly hurt but they aren't something of particular value, it's kinda like a fancy alert with a title that tells u u did a thing, it's not bad but im not rly one to go out of my way to obtain the validation of a video game through something that can usually just be done via spending enough time/effort on it

(getting to like the top X% of a competitive multiplayer game or smth would be a diff story, but in that case i wouldn't even want an achievement, i feel like just getting there should feel rewarding in itself, so... yeah, lol)
@  Fire Blazer : (17 September 2018 - 07:07 AM) yeah I'm not a trophy/achievement guy lol
@  acceptance : (13 September 2018 - 10:35 PM) That's just not incentive enough for me, man.
@  acceptance : (13 September 2018 - 10:34 PM) Plus with modern gaming a lot of the time the most you can hope for if you get all the collectibles is a trophy/achievement. Which I suppose is valuable to some people, but it's not gonna add anything to the game whatsoever.
@  Fire Blazer : (12 September 2018 - 05:58 PM) like yeah sidequests with an actual crafted scenario to them, post-game dungeons that aren't TOO much grinding/rehashed content, etc. are cool
@  Fire Blazer : (12 September 2018 - 05:57 PM) yeah I only like completionist stuff if it's like meaningful content/not super grindy but usually at some point it becomes kind of annoying so meh
@  acceptance : (11 September 2018 - 01:01 AM) Gotta love unforgivingly difficult super bosses. (Looking at you, Lingering Will.)
@  acceptance : (11 September 2018 - 01:00 AM) I cannot do the whole collectible thing. It always feel so tedious. Sidequests and EX dungeons are always fun though.
@  xcrash1998 : (09 September 2018 - 06:56 AM) So thats perfect for me
@  xcrash1998 : (09 September 2018 - 06:55 AM) I am rather obsessed with completing on 100% unless it is completely unreasonable to do so
@  Fire Blazer : (03 September 2018 - 04:51 AM) if they ever make a sequel/spiritual successor or the like at the very least it should have my attention, haha
@  Fire Blazer : (03 September 2018 - 04:50 AM) so yeah, great, great game overall, I even bought the expansion and played the heck out of that too because it was so much fun. Think I ended up almost 100%ing it (basically fully explored the map IIRC, not sure I did everything but at the very least I should have gotten pretty close).

and I'm not really a completionist either, so again... just speaks volumes about how fun the game was IMO.
@  Fire Blazer : (03 September 2018 - 04:48 AM) Awesome gameplay, sweet enemies, an overall interesting premise and plot along with some solid writing, even the soundtrack was decent for a Western game, lol... but of course, the VISUALS. whew. the game looks soooo good. couldn't help but take pictures even though I don't usually consider myself that kinda guy, lol. the environments and hyper-realistic look are just so visually appealing I was often kinda mesmerized, similar to how I felt with Xenoblade X.
@  Fire Blazer : (03 September 2018 - 04:46 AM) I'm surprised to have finally found some other people who have played and liked that game though. I was excited for Horizon: Zero Dawn and got it at launch and ended up basically binging it, IIRC even putting P5 on hold for a bit, because it was just so much fun.
@  Fire Blazer : (03 September 2018 - 04:46 AM) ouch @ potential april fools lol
@  Rujio : (02 September 2018 - 09:34 AM) Still an excellent game. One of the more interesting stories I've come across in a game, especially an open-world one, and some pretty solid characters and worldbuilding. The gameplay is fun and works really, really well in the setting, too.
@  Rujio : (02 September 2018 - 09:31 AM) Although that article is from April 1st and my google searches are not revealing any other evidence of a PC release...
@  Rujio : (02 September 2018 - 09:29 AM) Ah yes! I just played that game this past summer with my friends (who have a PS4) and it really was great! I'm really glad it's coming to PC so I can have it myself, and also because I've got some PS-less friends who would really enjoy it.

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#1 Mercurius

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Posted 31 August 2016 - 04:44 AM

Humans as a whole are likely to look to themselves as good, to see themselves as above the petty, astonished at the kinds of words and expressions that would escape another only to deny that very evidence in their ultimate evaluation of humanity and its evolution over the savages of times past who might as well not count as actual people for their misdeeds. The very word "humane" exists in description of a forgiving and compassionate attitude, our standards for what would constitute decency so great only for our collective greatness taken for granted.*

 

Except then you can bring anything regarded as bad writing and relatively well-known and the common man will work to pave all roads going straight down to hell in a fortnight several times over.

 

Justin Bieber, Michael Bay, Stephanie Meyer, Kawahara Reki, it's not as though I personally like any of these people either. (Well, honestly, I know close to nothing about Justin Bieber besides him being generally shit on.) However, I've said before that it's like people are looking for an excuse to hate for it's own sake when they go on to focus so much on these particular individuals, and now I'm thinking, is that the real reason why in such circumstances, it becomes so easy for people to get on a high horse when feeling like being an unabashed slanderer?

 

People know who those are, people can find what they've made as well as several news articles on them and a significant community to fall back on, and are without need to generalize those persons as a group. They can turn hatred to unified discussion and cultivate its reasoning, and at the end of the day, walk away and tell themselves they're some of the nicest people they've ever met. It is good and socially acceptable to look to another's work and take it as evidence for speaking against the creator's character, a cultured, virtuous, and mature activity for one to have themselves partake. However if they were to say the same towards an unknown or the everyday person of the streets publicly, they would have no chance to retain their integrity, either in the eyes of others or for those who are of any self-awareness, the eyes of the self.

 

That it would be easier to excuse is clearly evident, but then comes the question, why is it so interesting for people to band together in hatred? I speak as a hater, I know what hate is like, on the receiving end and on the assault. I know that it is less a decision and more of an impulse in contrast to what many would suggest to give themselves the opportunity to look down on the likes of me. I know that it isn't really an enjoyable thing to be feeling, and without evident results to come alongside it, it makes me look to myself even worse. The hate people will have for these kinds of people are unlikely to have serious effect on them unless they are the kind of people who would commit suicide after receiving one too many death threats or something of the like.

 

There is only one reason that really comes to mind for the reason why so many would revel in camaraderie born of malice, and that is what I was once told by another who spoke well of the community they were among, only for how it was too busy directing most of its hatred towards the game company to hate on each other. That also got me thinking about the communities out there that talk a lot of shit towards another community...they may take jabs and jokes at each other's expense as many would disregarding the insults as mere friendly banter, but if they want to get serious on feeding the ego, it's best to go all out on someone that won't bother talking back.

 

*Some time ago I was in discussion with someone who was, as relevant to the topic at hand, going out of their way to debase a protagonist and its author of something they never bothered to even read. This same person will look to someone(the protagonist they're talking shit about) that will willingly endanger themselves into going further into an extremely life-endangering situation for people that very clearly tried to screw them over, and disregard this act of heroics as being anything just any good friend out there ought to do, even though they themselves go about sneering about in contempt for those they find beneath them. That we mutually find each other a laughable existence is no coincidence.


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Posted 31 August 2016 - 11:21 AM

There is only one reason that really comes to mind for the reason why so many would revel in camaraderie born of malice, and that is what I was once told by another who spoke well of the community they were among, only for how it was too busy directing most of its hatred towards the game company to hate on each other.

This is a good point. However, I think one reason why this kind of thing might happen is because people generally like it when they find others with the same opinion.

 

I say this as somebody who really enjoys complaining about video game mechanics that frustrate her, to the point that my friends actually get quite sick of it. Pokemon is one of the biggest offenders these days, due to how far they've deviated from the Pokemon of my childhood, and also for its various other annoyances that I won't go into. If I complain about my frustrations to my friends who like the game, they end up annoyed at me. However, if I happen to find someone who shares my same frustrations, we can vent about the mechanics together and, in a sense, make the game slightly more bearable in the process. That being said, I have not actually found anyone who shares my same dislikes for how recent games handle themselves...

 

This is probably slightly off topic, since you're speaking mostly of people who hate on something for basically no reason at all, but I thought I'd throw my two cents in anyway.


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Posted 31 August 2016 - 04:03 PM

Well it's not just that they do it for no reason, but also that it's most focused when it's on a particular real person. There's this idea of criticism of an author's character being seen as a great thing to be doing with your life and those idiots who go about not bothering to think about such things are practically an embarrassment to humanity- even though doing the same thing to people that aren't quite so big name is conversely commonly seen as worthy of belittlement.

 

I mean, I complain about game mechanics, we complain about franchises we're supposed to be supporting (Fates didn't do so well all around...) but rarely do any of us bother to call out the actual creators on their decisions, especially when it has to do with morals or perceptions of reality. (Though we might say fuck you to the marketers for attracting an unwanted audience.)


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