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@  xcrash1998 : (30 November 2019 - 11:07 PM) New fictional holiday "Index Day"
@  Fire Blazer : (28 November 2019 - 08:52 PM) yeah just guest bots and stuff I think :( we really were active once upon a time though...
@  kirant : (26 November 2019 - 03:48 PM) No invasion. I imagine a lot of guest bots visiting for indexing purposes.
@  xcrash1998 : (26 November 2019 - 02:15 PM) How is most people online at 959 for the 8th of October of this year? Is that right? Did I miss something or was there somekind of spambot invasion?
@  xcrash1998 : (26 November 2019 - 02:06 PM) I know what you mean, it gets awkard to post something unrelated to the current conversation, and even if somebody picks up on it, it would just become a huge mess in the c hatbox if a multitude of groups talk about different topics.
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:45 PM) especially better imo if you want to update on a topic but like only occasionally (e.g. a project you're working on or a let's play of a game)
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) it's hard for me to explain precisely why but forums just like work better for meaningful discussion over a longer period of time ig
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) but that's def just not hte same ig, idk
@  Fire Blazer : (10 November 2019 - 11:44 PM) yeah, you can also kind of respond at your own pace on forums. Discord conversations are often like... it's awkward to respond to something that happened a while ago, especially if the server is active, but even just in general. since you sort of need to keep track of multiple conversations at once at times, and it's not like it has a good reply/quote system ala forums, closest thing really is to copy/paste or screenshot the text you're responding to and then type a response below
@  Elwood : (09 November 2019 - 11:29 AM) Adding on to what's been said, I just enjoy the order and structure of the forums. You can look through the threads and know exactly what people are talking about. Conversation get lost and buried on discord which is why I'm not a big fan of it.
@  kirant : (06 November 2019 - 05:31 AM) I enjoy that part of forums too. They become niche communities where you can have very specialized conversations as opposed to the cluttered mess in Discord.
@  Ezra : (31 October 2019 - 01:17 AM) Yeah, part of me wishes I could go back to the times forums were more prevalent. I really enjoyed how even several different forums based off the same franchise could feel so different. It's not like what we now is bad though, I just feel nostalgic for old times.
@  Fire Blazer : (30 October 2019 - 06:39 AM) also forums in general are just not as prevalent, there are so many other ways to interact these days, like Twitter, FB, Tumblr, etc., where you can just throw your thoughts into the void. I think that's the real issue and that the only people rly interested in forums these days are either super dedicated to whatever they're about, have a specific reason/need to (e.g. support forums), or grew up with them and are thus attached to the idea enough to continue to try and use them (this was kinda me for a while lol but things happen, I couldn't keep it up forever)
@  Fire Blazer : (30 October 2019 - 06:36 AM) I've posted on SF for various reasons ofc but in terms of like making friends and stuff it's p. much just been smaller groups/forums, yeah. mainly FES
@  Elwood : (27 October 2019 - 10:08 PM) Only reason I'm even on Serenes was because I had hacking questions. @Ezra yeah I figured it must be an age thing. I've been called an old man by many a child because I use Facebook.
@  kirant : (26 October 2019 - 09:39 PM) It's strange. I don't think I've ever posted on Serenes...period. I've always been a fan of smaller forums.
@  Ezra : (26 October 2019 - 05:49 AM) I think it's because a lot of newer FE players didn't frequent forums growing up. And those that do probably end up on Serenes.
@  Elwood : (25 October 2019 - 07:30 AM) I would love to revitalize this place I'm just not sure how that would be done. I mean with how main stream FE seems to have become I'm honestly surprised we don't have more members.
@  Fire Blazer : (21 October 2019 - 08:04 PM) tfw u not coming here results in not seeing a PM from last month T_T ok gonna try and check at least every couple weeks now even if there's nothing here, lol...
@  Fire Blazer : (21 October 2019 - 07:54 PM) I come here almost never because I've fallen out of habit and basically just accepted the forums are dead :( it's neat you come here every day tho

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#1 Team Fail

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:48 AM

So Arch posted the Sappy Mod information on PokeCommunity forums, and I thought it'd be fair to share with the FE hacking community what I've discovered, which I believe, should be more known. Anyways, after downloading a special program called "NITRO-SoundMaker", which is an in-house tool to develop music for the NDS, I discovered how to loop, and it was ridiculously simple. Following on a hunch, I decided to ask someone to send me a MIDI, I added the needed data to it, send it back, and have him insert it. But, there was one condition: do not touch the .s file. And my hunch was correct: the file did loop. So, this tutorial is killing two birds with one stone, as the same official tools for converting MIDI files for use on the GBA use the exact same command to loop as the official NDS tools. And it's been overlooked for many years, so it's beyond me how this was totally missed. Anyways, let's get started.

You will need:
1. Your MIDI file
2. Anvil Studio
3. Official NDS/GBA conversion tools (Based on what system you want to use)
-MID2AGB and Sappy for GBA
-smfconv, and seqconv for NDS

Oh, and don't ask me where to find the Nintendo programs. I will not link to them.

Now, as I said, it's ridiculously simple to loop, and I'm not kidding. These commands are built into both MID2AGB and smfconv, but they've been overlooked until today. Here's how to tap into the hidden potential:

1. Open your MIDI file in Anvil Studio, and view your MIDI in the Piano Roll Editor (View -> Piano Roll Editor)

Now, to start, go right to the end of the song, and head to the top of the window. Look for a button called "New cue" and click on it:

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Now, since we're at the end of the file, we're going to add one special character to the box that shows up, simply, "]":

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Now, here comes the hardest part, and it's not even that hard. In the piano roll editor, place the marker arrow at the point in the song you want the game to loop it to, then go back up to the top and add a new cue, "[":

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And that's all! Now, export your MIDI file (MIDI-Format 0 File), and compile it using your choice of tools (mid2agb for GBA, or smfconv + seqconv for NDS), and insert. Don't even touch your .s file, as there is no need to, well, unless you need to adjust something. If you're having conversion errors, try repairing the song in Anvil Studio, then try again. Have fun looping music!

And as a note that I want to toss in at the end of this, I noticed that all of this loop data is present in the MIDI files in the Fire Emblem 7 Sound Source as well, so you can see that this is, in fact, the in-house method and will not get any easier than this to loop.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 07:24 AM

Huh, so this means we don't have to add manual loops, eh? Sounds interesting. Sadly I'm pretty much done music inserting and hacking as a wholebut this looks really nifty. Thanks for the share!

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:23 PM

might be a little helpful but

what the fack is a .s file

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:51 PM

Says FE's music expert. GGWP, Pokemon hackers.

Nice find! Thanks a bunch, mate.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 08:39 PM

QUOTE (Boney99 @ Feb 21 2013, 08:23 AM)
might be a little helpful but

what the fack is a .s file

Basically, it's a file with all of the MIDI data in a text format that Sappy interprets as note data when inserting music.
QUOTE (SmashedFish @ Feb 21 2013, 08:51 AM)
Says FE's music expert. GGWP, Pokemon hackers.

Nice find! Thanks a bunch, mate.

No problems. Anything to make hacking easier is always better.




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