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#1 ^Leo^

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Posted 01 September 2015 - 12:04 AM

I just had a conversation about whether or not being famous, for whatever reason, should change how people react when you've done something wrong. Be it a horrible crime, or just getting caught watching porn. For example the subway guy Jared getting caught with the underage sex thing. Had it been some random person who did that it wouldn't have become a national scandal, but because he was the face of subway it's automatically a huge deal? I think that's wrong. Whether you're a beggar on the streets or the king of the world the crime is the same, and everyone should be treated the same way(and this includes media attention). I understand why it happens, that's not really what I'm questioning. I was just curious as to other people's opinions, how you feel about it happening, what you think should happen, etc.

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Posted 01 September 2015 - 12:42 AM

I can't see a reason as to why they shouldn't act differently, one of them has a high reputation, the other one would be an unknown. Unknowns are committing crimes all the time, they're practically boring news, outside of when sensationalist journalists feel like professionally trolling us with some controversial topic like race. I don't feel different about it either way because the Jared guy is a complete unknown to me as-is, though there's no particular reason for me to find children involved in sex work dissonant. (If we start having successful movements about sexual freedom that involve the legalization of the sexual exploitation of children, I'll have no surprise whatsoever. You can already start with everyone's favorite moral argument: "How does it cause harm?")

 

I also believe that a beggar on the streets committing a crime is totally different from the king of the world doing the same, because the latter is extremely relevant. Of course someone like that doing it should be a huge deal, they are far more of a threat, especially given that they will have far more protection from limitations on their behavior. Even people with allegedly high empathy can't be bothered to care that much for unknowns(in particular, unknowns that are far away), and they are much less likely to hear about it to begin with from anyone else, too. Is there a problem in this specific behavior that warrants asking about how it should be?


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Posted 01 September 2015 - 01:06 AM

There isn't anything wrong with it. It just doesn't seem right to me. Regardless of your position you're still just a person in my eyes. The president of the United States is just another guy to me, so him killing someone is no more or less disgusting than if someone I've never heard of killing someone. I get that my opinion is a minority opinion that probably very few people share, but it's just how i feel about it. Like i said I understand why it happens, and it makes sense. It just doesn't mesh with my view on people very well. A higher reputation doesn't make for a more serious crime is what I'm trying to get at i guess. I couldn't care less how much media coverage anything gets, but making something out to be a bigger deal just because the person is more well known feels like it's just the media trying to make money off of a scandal(which is kind of the case really).

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Posted 01 September 2015 - 04:23 AM

I guess simply put... famous people ARE scrutinized a lot more than the average person, but the key here is that they're people that others idolize, look up to, follow, copy, etc.—so when someone famous does something wrong, it's them being a bad role model, and of course it's entertaining in that haters like to see people get put down and fans who want to know everything about their people might be hurt if someone they like does something they don't like... ultimately, it's about media and attention and the culture, I don't think these people are all that special in that they should legitimately be held to a higher standard, they're just normal people, they start as helpless babies like anyone else, but society will hold them up to that standard because they're already paying attention to these people for other reasons, so... I dunno, it kinda can't be helped/comes with the territory, I guess


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Posted 01 September 2015 - 04:30 AM

Thank god I didn't grow up to be a celebrity gossip addict. (That moment I learned that airport fashion is a thing to pay attention to. I mean, seriously...how is that any different from normal situation fashion.) And they think i'm the weird one for being into trading card games.

The sheer amount of hate for Justin Bieber is kind of funny too. It's like they have this pent-up need to hate on SOMETHING and sound like an enormous asshole but can't really think of any real justification to do so so just go for whatever it is other people like to hate on.


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Posted 01 September 2015 - 01:29 PM

I guess simply put... famous people ARE scrutinized a lot more than the average person, but the key here is that they're people that others idolize, look up to, follow, copy, etc.—so when someone famous does something wrong, it's them being a bad role model

This is really it. Famous people have a lot more influence than a normal person, so of course they should be scrutinized more than a normal person because their actions are going to influence a ton of people whether they wanted it to or not. A big name rapper singing about drugs and sex is going to have much more widespread influence than a small time rapper or even a parent. Plus, people like to "deify" their idols or just make them some caricature of an ideal, and some people just don't want to ruin that fantasy. It's like famous youtubers, they're scrutinized and criticized and have pressure to live up to the ideal placed upon them because they have so much influence. That's why people like Pewdiepie get criticized when they make an offensive joke since so many impressionable kids watch their videos and will get influenced by them.

 

It would be nice for the people if famous people didn't have to be scrutinized so, but I think it's right since they wield such influence.


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Posted 01 September 2015 - 05:33 PM

Thank god I didn't grow up to be a celebrity gossip addict. (That moment I learned that airport fashion is a thing to pay attention to. I mean, seriously...how is that any different from normal situation fashion.) And they think i'm the weird one for being into trading card games.

The sheer amount of hate for Justin Bieber is kind of funny too. It's like they have this pent-up need to hate on SOMETHING and sound like an enormous asshole but can't really think of any real justification to do so so just go for whatever it is other people like to hate on.

 

yeaahhh 'MURICAN culture is so weird and... kind of... petty, as a whole

 

that's the best word I can come up with for now

 

also idrc for gossip myself so meh

 

 

This is really it. Famous people have a lot more influence than a normal person, so of course they should be scrutinized more than a normal person because their actions are going to influence a ton of people whether they wanted it to or not. A big name rapper singing about drugs and sex is going to have much more widespread influence than a small time rapper or even a parent. Plus, people like to "deify" their idols or just make them some caricature of an ideal, and some people just don't want to ruin that fantasy. It's like famous youtubers, they're scrutinized and criticized and have pressure to live up to the ideal placed upon them because they have so much influence. That's why people like Pewdiepie get criticized when they make an offensive joke since so many impressionable kids watch their videos and will get influenced by them.

 

It would be nice for the people if famous people didn't have to be scrutinized so, but I think it's right since they wield such influence.

 

this is why it started/the good motivations of people yeah but then there's also the whole culture with media and "being interesting" by bringing attention to things that change the image of well-known people, which I'd say is more of a bad motivation for scrutinizing people; they're people too (with feelings and all that) so in a way the media goes overboard...


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Posted 01 September 2015 - 06:10 PM

It's natural behavior-- humans naturally look up to those above them, berate those below them, and undermine those on the same level of them. The reason why celebrities end up getting more news comes with how biased our news sources are. Do we really care about the nobody who commits a crime? Well, in the eyes of most news sources, they don't. More viewership from a celebrity scandal makes more money, and by reporting on it, they profit. I won't say it's right (though, in my view, there is no right and wrong), and this also comes down to culture down in the United States. We seem to care about our celebrities since we like to look up to them and dream about how successful they are and how successful we could have been. 



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Posted 02 September 2015 - 01:19 AM


 

 

I guess simply put... famous people ARE scrutinized a lot more than the average person, but the key here is that they're people that others idolize, look up to, follow, copy, etc.—so when someone famous does something wrong, it's them being a bad role model

 

^ This.

Its practically human nature. People never want to hear anything GOOD in the news.

For instance, let's say that Jared guy donated five million dollars in charity the same day he was caught for this pedophilia deal.

Which will the media put on to their front page or breaking news story?

The pedophilia of course. Why? Because its dirt on someone. 

Hate is part of humanity. Its a fundamental part actually. In fact, not hating anyone or anything at all is practically unnatural.

 


 

 

yeaahhh 'MURICAN culture is so weird and... kind of... petty, as a whole

 

Oh believe me, its not just the US.

No matter which country it is, its the same.

Like I said before, everyone likes hearing bad things in the news. Everyone loves a scandal. Everyone loves to hear gossip on the dirty secrets of other people.

Why do you think soap operas are so popular all over the world?

 

The US gets all the crap for everything these days because the media around the world focuses on the US. Russia, China, and a whooooole lot of other countries are doing terrible things that would be looked down upon too. However, they get away with it because the media is focused on the US.

Not to mention that the US isn't even 250 years old. Only now is the US sort of formulating a culture of its own.

Cultures get meaning with age and new experiences. Every great culture in the world started out petty ^_^


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 02:38 AM

There's something hilarious that happens where I live in the US. Due to the high concentration of Chinese people, a huge part of the place revolves around Koreans. More Chinese people go to and work at Korean restaurants than Koreans themselves do. There are Korean shop owners everywhere(every single Japanese restaurant I know in this area has a Korean owner. It's hilarious.) Popular Korean actor/singers are on shop windows and stands for the advertisement of Korean cosmetic products. Korean drama BGM plays in totally unrelated clothing stores. (For some reason, though, the most common imported goods shops are Japanese. Doesn't stop Korean products from being in Japanese stores, though.) The local supermarket doesn't even bother with an "Asian food" section and instead just puts the stuff where anything else of the category would go, most of which are, again, Korean products. I've heard that China (and thus its media) is crazy about Korean stuff but it's even funnier to see them carry that over to another country.

 

On the subject of foreign news though, there was that one time where the prosecutor general or something of some Russian area was getting anime-style fanart from Japanese artists. I had to be taken aback at how bizarre that was, who in Japan would even be interested in news of that place?


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Posted 03 September 2015 - 03:24 AM

Really? Japanese stores with Korean goods? XD

Chinese pop culture is....odd...

When I went to China, I saw bits and pieces of it. Since the government in China is a massive control freak, a lot of Chinese pop culture develops completely underground.

If JPop and KPop had a baby, and Kpop did drugs and drank during the pregnancy, you'd get Chinese pop. 99% of it is basically ripped off of Jpop and Kpop, or slightly modified from it.


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