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[Oblivion Knight]

Most of Awakening's DLC is fairly bad. Most of them are summarized by: Hubba screws up and you have to kill [insert characters from old gmae here] countless times on remade older FE maps. It's a shoddy way of getting people acess to DLC excusive skills. The spotpass characters are generally far better than their DLC counterparts as well. For the most part Boney's right.

[arimibn]

Yes. Let's completely ignore the fact that Ike pretty much gets the character development he never gets in Radiant Dawn. Seriously. That conversation you have with Ike post fight really gives him more character. Not to mention, the DLC maps are fun to play on. You're telling me you didn't enjoy fighting Nergal in the Dragon's Gate with your Avatar? Yeah. Most of the Einherjar maps are strictly for fanservice and nostalgia purposes. But even then. It's not like the characters don't talk on the maps. That being said. Post Einherjar DLC maps are pretty fun too. The Scramble maps are a "break" from the usual, and you get to see what everyone does in their free time. And do I really even need to mention Lucina's alternate future? And using Spotpass to prove that the DLC is bad...is pretty redundant. Spotpass is free DLC. If you need an internet connection in order to get it, it's DLC. DLC stands for Downloadable Content. If you have to DOWNLOAD it onto your game...it's DLC. IS gave fans an alternative to the paid DLC. And I'm personally happy about that because I know not everyone has a credit card to buy it in the first place. "Can't afford Rogues & Redeemers? Still want Ike, Ephraim, and Celica on your team? Not to worry! They're still available via Spotpass!" "Want your Ike to wield Ragnell, but don't want to buy Infinite Regalia? His descendant Priam has it! How much for Priam? He's free!" Yeah. I'd have loved for the paid DLC to be free as well. But come on guys. We both know that it costs money to make this stuff. It only ever gets to a substantial amount if you buy all of it. You think the paid versions of the characters are inferior? Simple. Don't buy them. It's not like you can't get the characters either way. The only paid character that isn't on Spotpass is Eldigan. Imagine if the only DLC you bought was Lucina's story. You're pretty much getting another ending to the game...for only about $4. Correct me if I'm wrong, but do you have to buy any of the maps in order to have access to buying any of the other ones? /derail

[Rujio]

QUOTE (Boney99 @ May 27 2013, 07:11 PM)

Why is "Awakening" being used as an example of doing it right? You have to download playable characters. That's as bullshit as it gets.

They added completely new content that was never going to be in the game in the first place. IIRC, the game was already mostly made before Nintendo approached them about DLC. Then, seeing as this was potentially the last FE game and there was already stuff going on with portals through spacetime, they decided to throw in a bunch of old lords to complete the "celebration of the series" thing they had going on. I don't have any of the DLC, and it comes across as a completely full game on its own. There are ~50 chapters in the game without it.

[arimibn]

QUOTE (Rujio @ May 28 2013, 08:42 AM)

seeing as this was potentially the last FE game

QUOTE (Rujio @ May 28 2013, 08:42 AM)

last FE game

Excuse me while I go cry in a corner.

[Ristau]

Arim, that statement was based totally on the sucess of Awakening. As you know, Shadow Dragon was so meh that FE12 didn't even get released outside of Japan *I think that it was only japan, correct me if I'm wrong. If Awakening was recieved horribly and didn't bring the money in, then IS would have to discontinue Fire Emblem from a business standpoint, and they have no way of telling how a game will do before it's released XD. Awakening was recieved VERY well, though, so I seriously doubt that they would discontinue the franchise after how well it's done plus there's that janky cross-over game that was announced anyway

[arimibn]

*hugs the life out of Ryoku* THANK YOU RYOKU. MY LIFE HAS MEANING AGAIN.

[kirant]

Re: This being the conclusion of the FE series - it's been floated around a bit. IS has had a hard time with dwindling sales. As like the Nintendo Wars franchise, they may opt to kill it off. If memory serves, their sexual fanservice DLCs have been seen as an attempt to bring the sales numbers in their favour, as the sales/cost of the rest of it isn't really adding up too well. This sort of information has been signalled all over the game...the game has been accused of being a player immersion dating sim, having much sexier designs in their characters and including the aforementioned fanservice DLC. It's an oddity to long time fans, but really does reinforce the stories of it being the desperate attempt at saving a long standing franchise

QUOTE (Oblivion Knight @ May 27 2013, 10:44 PM)

Most of Awakening's DLC is fairly bad. Most of them are summarized by: Hubba screws up and you have to kill [insert characters from old gmae here] countless times on remade older FE maps. It's a shoddy way of getting people acess to DLC excusive skills. The spotpass characters are generally far better than their DLC counterparts as well. For the most part Boney's right.

Counting up, I got this:
- 12 maps of that
- 3 maps of simple grinding
- 4 challenge maps
- 3 secondary story
- 3 characterization and sexual fanservice

So, it's not close to "most". It's actually half. And if people want to play those, go ahead. It's a non-sexual fan service DLC and is really what most people go to it for. Which is a key I think: People often associate the term fan service pure with T&A or ripped bare chests...but it really applies to so much more. Very much, it's comparable to the entire Super Robot Wars franchise, which makes a living selling people fan service games by letting their favourite mecha anime characters beat each other up in each others' stories.

Those with heavy nostalgia filters would flock to it the same way old Pokemon fans flocked to Heart Gold/Soul Silver and Fire Red/Leaf Green. And it's the same for the first half of the DLC - people approach it to relive old maps or maybe have a bit of fun having character x fight character y. Honestly, I think the exclusive skills are an aside only designed for the analysts. Outside of one map, you don't need those skills. Period. The skills are mostly there for the perfectionists...the guys who want to own everything and anything. One is Delphi's Shield in skill form, which doesn't do a whole lot in a game where your flyers are rarely in danger anyways. One is a minor boost to stats...in story, that's not all that good. One is Paragon, which is only good if you're planning to level grind for hours on end. And the last is actually useful for one map...on the rest, it's overkill. I don't see why anybody would want them, last one aside.

Also, isn't that only 4 skills on a count of 12 maps?

I should notify that the DLC counterparts, if memory serves, are generally better. They have a skill set which I don't think most can get such as Katarina with access to dark magic, regardless of class...though in her case, if you can get her, there's nothing left to do really.

Though I should also really point out that we should take this to its own topic if we really want to continue this dialogue - this topic is about character speculation, no?

[Ristau]

I keep getting ads for 'Roman Orgies' with all of this talk of sexualized themes. Also, we're complete off topic XD

[arimibn]

So like. Who else wants Goku for the next smash bros? Cause it seems everyone forgot what the topic was about. XD

[Golden Warrior]

Hm... I don't want Goku and I know he won't happen, but... eh. Now as for who's staying... May as well copy Oblivion's post as a base.

Mario- Staying

Luigi- Staying

Princess Peach- Staying

Bowser- Staying

Donkey Kong- Staying

Diddy Kong - I hope he doesn't, really. He seemed to be... terrible really.

Yoshi - Staying

Wario- A new Wario game was announced about a week ago. He's staying.

Link- Staying

Princess Zelda- Staying

Sheik - Staying

Ganondorf- Staying

Toon Link- I see him staying, A younger Link has been a main thing since Melee, or so it seems.

Samus Aran- Staying

Zero Suit Samus- Staying (People just want fanservice anymore...)

Pit- He was mainly to advertise the Kid Icarus game and was overpowered. I kinda hope he gets watered down allot if he stays.

Ice Climbers- Despite not doing anything for years, probably still staying around because of the whole 2 characters gimick.
R.O.B.- Axed? lol
Kirby- Staying
Meta Knight- If gets in 4, he REALLY needs to be balanced accordingly otherwise he'll be absolute shit or be game breaking. I'd honestly rather have him gone.
King Dedede- This guy will be around. Kirby's had 2 games since Brawl and Kirby characters were in high demand for awhile. Not to mention he had been planned to be put in the first game but got scrapped due to space issues. SAFE

Pikmin & Olimar- Yeah, I think he's safe.

Fox McCloud- Staying

Falco Lombardi- Staying

Wolf O'Donnell- I... Meh. I saw him as a completion to the trio. Fox is kinda quick, kinda strong. Falco is weaker but amazingly fast. Wolf is amazingly overpowered but nearly Ganondorf slow. He'll stay, I think.

Captain Falcon- Staple character since game one. He's staying.

Pikachu- Staying.

Pokémon Trainer- I don't see him staying...

Lucario- Pokemon from X and Y or Zoroark will replace him. Count on it.

Jigglypuff-Staying... sadly.

Marth- Staying. Although, they might try throwing the new Awakening DLC design at us.

Ness- He's been here, I don't see him moving.
Lucas- Honestly felt like a Ness ripoff, but weaker. I don't care how much I enjoyed the game he came from. New move-set or OUT.

Mr. Game & Watch- Staying.

Solid Snake- Let's be honest, he was for promotion on Konami's part... But, eh, he might stay.

Sonic The Hedgehog- Look at it this way. Sonic Mario Galaxy Lost Worlds is coming out on Wii U and 3DS exclusively, so he's safe.

Ike - He might do what Roy did and get replaced by Chrom...

Characters I expect:

Overall, I don't see much happening here... But, character creation has been hinted as a possibility, so if it is, good enough for me.

Although, I do see a few characters. I'll keep those to myself.

[arimibn]

QUOTE (Golden Warrior @ May 28 2013, 08:20 PM)

character creation

SHUT UP. TAKE MY MONEY. AND FUND IT.

[Cero]

Is this thread for wishful thinking on characters or what actually might make it into the series?

[arimibn]

Both. Lol

[Whitewolf8]

Meh, may as well post here a bit.
For Fire Emblem reps, the new one'll be either Chrom or Lucina (Lucina's a fan favorite, so don't just think it as irrelevant.), there's the possibility Ike will be removed, but there's also the possibility he'll stay. As for Marth, he'll either use Awakening's design or FE12 design. (Or an updated version of either).

New Zelda characters? Ghirahim has a chance, as well as 'Classic Link' replacing Toon Link (Seeing as a new Link to the Past styled game is being released, although, since Wind Waker is being remade it may not happen.)

Seeing as Namco is taking part in this, I don't reject the possibility of a Namco character making their way into the game (I would hope it to be a 'Tales of' character, from here the biggest possibilities are probably Cless, Lloyd, or Luke).

...Yeah that's all I've got currently.
Meh.

[Fire Blazer]

Regarding DLC in Smash,

I think it's a poor idea. The creators should take their time and make the game absolutely amazing. Do everything they need to. I don't want to go over to a friends house and not be able to play a character because it's DLC, or not have certain characters myself because I don't want to spend however much money on buying them. I think DLC for the game would be a terrible move, even if it's an after-the-fact thing. It's just not for Smash, the way I see it. Other games? Sure. FE did it okay (besides the fact that some of the earlier maps felt like total gimmicks and the such). I can't imagine this being okay.

[kirant]

QUOTE (Blazer @ May 28 2013, 10:38 PM)

Regarding DLC in Smash, I think it's a poor idea. The creators should take their time and make the game absolutely amazing. Do everything they need to. I don't want to go over to a friends house and not be able to play a character because it's DLC, or not have certain characters myself because I don't want to spend however much money on buying them. I think DLC for the game would be a terrible move, even if it's an after-the-fact thing. It's just not for Smash, the way I see it. Other games? Sure. FE did it okay (besides the fact that some of the earlier maps felt like total gimmicks and the such). I can't imagine this being okay.

For a fighting game, that makes perfect sense that roster players shouldn't be allowed as DLC. It's way too difficult to manage I think...and just plain annoying...and a disaster online.

[Golden Warrior]

The reason of this topic flew right above my head...

First off, I don't see DLC happening. It just doesn't seem likely for something like SSB. Then again, Nintendo has been doing it more and more. Ugh, I'll wait for E3...

Another thing though. I go through character request lists online allot. Most of them have no rational basis whatsoever. Seriously, people want to play as RIDLEY. FROM METROID. A gigantic pterodactyl is not a playable thing. Then there are people saying that Goku or someone that is not realated to video games other than having a few from obscure companies, and say they should be there? No. Just no.

One character I do want is Megaman or Megaman X. One of them has already been hinted at and it would be cool to see them in-game. It'd also make sense since Megman games ended up on Nintedo systems for the most part. Sure, there were all the X and Legends games on Playstation, but the rest of the Megaman games ended up on Nintendo. (Not to mention X 1-3 was on the SNES until the Megaman Collection happened.)

[Fire Blazer]

I got Kirant to agree with me!

...

Ahem

@Gold

don't expect too much from Nintendo at E3 >_>; AFAIK they still aren't even having a press conference

I think Mega Man could be a good edition but when was the last Mega Man game that came out and... is it in them to include him? Though I guess that's the question with most characters who aren't already in, what with most Nintendo-only franchises having their characters in >_>;

[bblues]

QUOTE (kirant @ May 29 2013, 08:09 AM)

For a fighting game, that makes perfect sense that roster players shouldn't be allowed as DLC.  It's way too difficult to manage I think...and just plain annoying...and a disaster online.

Compatibility patches a la SFIV or MvC3 would fix that. DLC makes perfect sense to the company.

'Oh? You wanted character x? Well, now you can. For £3. Want some extra colours? £2.'

[Shu]

I have to disagree with you guys. DLC is very much like expansion packs, and expansion packs have never come under the scrutiny that some people give DLC. Personally, I would love to be able to add on to my gaming experience long after the initial purchase by downloading extra maps and characters. Nintendo won't charge you much for it, 20 dollars maximum is my prediction. Launch DLC is kind of douchey, but on a spread timetable over multiple years, it'd be awesome in my opinion.

If you don't want to pay for more content, you don't have to. However, this is how I look at it:

Smash Brothers 4 releases with say, 38 characters. 6-8 months later, Nintendo releases Roy as a downloadable character for 18 dollars. Will I buy? Of course. Why? Because I know I'm going to get 18 dollars worth of fun out of a new character.

Will they do it? Not sure myself. It makes sense, like bblues said. It's a good business model. People have been asking for this, and stage/character DLC would just be eaten up. More money that Nintendo can use to develop Fire Emblem 14.