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What do you believe?
Started by thedespised2166, Aug 14 2010 03:02 AM
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 12:24 AM
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| intelligent design? if there is a creator who made the universe, what gives you the right to say He is a liar? because God says He inspired all scriptures and if He inspired all scriptures what gives you the right to say, "I want to interpret it this way?" answer - you have none, because He is not a poet or the writer of movie like inception (pretty trippy btw) who created their works like to be interpreted this next one is within the Bible so you may not like it, but Jesus fulfilled at least one hundred prophecies that were recorded in the Bible hundreds of years before because the chronology of Jesus in Matthew has a ton of generations it lists there a lot of the prophecies are about Jesus' birth, what he would teach, how a lot of people would respond to His teaching, that he would die and rise again, etc so at least the Bible supports itself. any you cant deny a lot of the prophecies because we know historically that jewish rabbis studied them intensely and back in that time it was like a prerequisite to have the first 5 books of the Bible memorized to become a rabbi - so they did exist and you guys have acknowledge that Jesus did exist at the very least do you consider that evidence? well if you believe in the hopelessly small chance that it was random, thats your choice Ill go with logic. name another theory that has as much 'sound' evidence as you say for the creation of the universe I expect to see citations of said evidence and the education of the researchers edit*
sad truth and did you know that you just did what my hypothetical situation suggested? and you didnt answer it yourself? or perhaps you did with your lack of a response |
That's not evidence. That's a suggestion. You offer a hypothesis. Not anything factual.
If you are correct, then of course, all my points wouldn't matter, and neither would anyone else's. But you can't be correct, as you have no way of proving it. I have no way of proving my side either, mind.
But as for your theory, about which you have claimed that 'physcis has spoken', has never been published in an established scientific journal. Read about the Dover case? Or anything Dawkins wrote? I'm sorry, but there is quite a bit to say that ID is religious, not scientific. Dawkins actually went through scientific methods for his theories. Also, it's not counted as scientific in the UK or Australia.
The acknowledgement of Jesus' existence is different to him being the son of god.
I'm not bothered to respond to your hypothetical situations because I fail to see the point in them. Really.
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 12:30 AM
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Rarity by itself isn't evidence
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 12:54 AM
| QUOTE (w00t @ Aug 20 2010, 06:11 PM) |
| Grey the example you provided is a great example of what i said earlier i said something like... "Christians have a lot of bad rep because people twist what is said in the Bible so that they can create their own benefit which is wrong" its like saying if I take an Xbox and use it as a skateboard so many people would say what are you doing it wasnt created for that purpose just like how if you interpret the Bible wrong you could end up with something like an Xbox being used as a skateboard |
If you're so sure the bible can only be interpreted one way, then why do you admit that there are ppl who mis-interprete it?
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 02:15 AM
Oh, god, I think I'm going to do it.
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| first - the truth is, God does not have a beginning or an end. God being a holy being (btw holy literally means 'set apart' for those of you who dont know) He operates outside of our understanding. Our understanding is that things have a beginning and an end, but since God is a higher being, He does not have to be bound by our understanding. |
Escapism. The sole reason humans create deities is to sanctify what is beyond their understanding. There is no inherent point to worshiping a being beyond understanding as there is no point of relation.
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| Imagine a ruler that streches all the way across the universe. that ruler measures and controls forces in nature like gravity and nuclear force that binds atoms together and its units are in inches which would mean it spans billions and billions and billions of inches If you move that measurement of natural forces over even one inch from where it currently is, that alone would increase gravity by a billion-fold and then we would all die this is just the concept of gravity and there are a lot more parameters that the universe needs to sustain life and they are all so fine tuned that the forces and conditions are perfect for life the chances of this happening randomly are slim to none. |
And the chance of having some magnanimous sky fairy who controls and creates it all is equally slim, if not less. Where are you going with this? There is no direct proof of intelligent design; any and all stipulants which supposedly "point" towards its possibility have either been shot down (such as the idiocy that is irreducible complexity) or otherwise have been proven to have a legitimate chance of creation by natural standards and the physical laws of the universe.
Now, dodging, the lengthy hiustory lesson of your holier-than-thou attitude:
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| NO WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD ENDORSES RAPE |
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| (Judges 21:10-24 NLT) And God told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes. |
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| (Deuteronomy 20:10-14) As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. |
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| (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. |
I can go on.
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| this is true, however this is why I brought up the laws of thermodynamics because there is a chance that they are wrong, but most people accept them |
Common misconception between the words "theory" and "law;" the two are generally interchangeable in some cases as when a theory is largely accepted by the scientific community with trials performed, it is often given that denomination. Gravity is a perfect example.
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| and its not a valid argument to say that we have more experimental research for the laws of thermodynamics because I have already given you the research in favor of intelligent design which makes the possibility that intelligent design is wrong is like the possibility that the laws of thermodynamics are completely wrong, which i think almost every educated scientist/professor will tell you are indeed laws of nature |
Come again? Comparing the two is apples and oranges base don the burden of proof; those in favor of intelligent design must present evidence to prove, beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT, that the proof of creation is engineered rather than coincidental, whereas the laws of thermodynamics have natural behavior as a stipulant to their existence. The two do not have an "equal chance" of being wrong, only the ignorant could possibly think so.
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| actually this is false, there is only one way to interpret the Bible, but it has many applications throughout translations of the Bible the meaning was always sought to be conserved, the words have obviously changed since its in many different languages now. still one interpretation though |
False. the Bible has been edited to death in however many incarnations that the original meaning has been all but lost, even if context was perfectly understood. This generally means that any suppositions on the meaning of a particular passage, if not pointedly obvious, is open to interpretation.
Now, to touch on your general points, and as I am running low on quote tags, you seem to be the type who believes in whatever he wishes but tries to deride any points otherwise with ridiculously idiotic and tangential historical references, some of which happen to be incorrect, so I'll be frank here.
"1. God created everything and God himself does not need to be created, because if He needed to be then He is probably not God"
This implies a perfect being, which in itself falls apart, as, if God was indeed perfect, he has no need to create a universe. Oh, and this also sounds totally batshit ****ing insane.
"3. Since God loves us, He provides a way for us to be with Him by sending Jesus to die for us"
Wherein he could have easily created a race of beings without fault, as he should, being that he is completely benevolent and the death of Jesus should not even be required.
"4. Since Jesus was perfect, He died unjustly and therefore acts as a payment for our debt"
Again, perfection paradox. Were it that God and Jesus were perfect, we would have no reason to exist.
"6. and the characteristic of someone who truly accepts Jesus is a changed life, living for something else, not yourself"
...Really now? Christ, and people wonder why Luciferianism become mainstream.
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 02:34 AM
Who here would have thought me and Mori would be in TOTAL agreeance here? I do have to give you credit for finding all the facts. I never knew such excerpts were in the bible. I mean that practically is condoning if not encouraging rape and kidnapping. Like wth man.
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:19 AM
Oh my do I have to do it again?
you missed the context people
when you actually try to understand something you have to do your homework geez
here it goes...ill try to make it shorter so that you guys can read it
edit (btw this all logical and an educated study not a "holier than thou" discussion, I am sorry if you feel that way though, its not my intent)
ok so in between all of the personal attacks you made
which is not mature at all
you cited the classic examples of misinterpretation of the Bible, or rather the passages used to try and rationalize one's thinking
and actually for all of these passages, none of them actually say rape; you are just inserting them or making a large assumption which has no evidence
which would actually make the unusable as evidence
and i know you can keep going on saying stuff but without context the interpretation will be wrong
however i will walk through and give you some of the context for one of the passages anyway
(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
we dont even know from your post who or what this passage is talking about. if you look at the passage as a whole the setting is the Israelites moving into the promise land. the people there, if they captured an someone (like an Israelite) who was not from their nation, they would skin them alive, mutilate them, chop them to pieces, gangrape them, put their heads on stakes - which is why they killed all the men
and yes God is a vengeful God at times
as for the plunder if you read the later verses in the chapter it goes to state out the regulations for taking captives (particularly women) it first says that they must allow the captives to mourn for their families and then they may marry (not forced) because if she doesnt want to "let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, because you have dishonored her." - Deuteronomy 21:14b
you missed the context people
when you actually try to understand something you have to do your homework geez
here it goes...ill try to make it shorter so that you guys can read it
edit (btw this all logical and an educated study not a "holier than thou" discussion, I am sorry if you feel that way though, its not my intent)
ok so in between all of the personal attacks you made
which is not mature at all
you cited the classic examples of misinterpretation of the Bible, or rather the passages used to try and rationalize one's thinking
and actually for all of these passages, none of them actually say rape; you are just inserting them or making a large assumption which has no evidence
which would actually make the unusable as evidence
and i know you can keep going on saying stuff but without context the interpretation will be wrong
however i will walk through and give you some of the context for one of the passages anyway
(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
we dont even know from your post who or what this passage is talking about. if you look at the passage as a whole the setting is the Israelites moving into the promise land. the people there, if they captured an someone (like an Israelite) who was not from their nation, they would skin them alive, mutilate them, chop them to pieces, gangrape them, put their heads on stakes - which is why they killed all the men
and yes God is a vengeful God at times
as for the plunder if you read the later verses in the chapter it goes to state out the regulations for taking captives (particularly women) it first says that they must allow the captives to mourn for their families and then they may marry (not forced) because if she doesnt want to "let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, because you have dishonored her." - Deuteronomy 21:14b
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um that argument is for creation and if the argument says that there is an overwhelming chance that it was designed that way, how can the God who is the designer have a slim chance of existence - and what evidence have you presented for that? none. you just simply stated something. as with all your arguments
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| If you're so sure the bible can only be interpreted one way, then why do you admit that there are ppl who mis-interprete it? |
because its true and you guys have provided prime examples of it
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:33 AM
^Well, then, exactly what context is it in?
EDIT: That was for after you made a huge edit.
EDIT: That was for after you made a huge edit.
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:07 AM
sorry its not complete because its a shorted version
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| we dont even know from your post who or what this passage is talking about. if you look at the passage as a whole the setting is the Israelites moving into the promise land. the people there, if they captured an someone (like an Israelite) who was not from their nation, they would skin them alive, mutilate them, chop them to pieces, gangrape them, put their heads on stakes - which is why they killed all the men and yes God is a vengeful God at times as for the plunder if you read the later verses in the chapter it goes to state out the regulations for taking captives (particularly women) it first says that they must allow the captives to mourn for their families and then they may marry (not forced) because if she doesnt want to "let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, because you have dishonored her." - Deuteronomy 21:14b |
so thats looking at passages before and after to better understand the passage and digging into the historical context of the time period which was that it was a kill or be killed situation
and obviously taking plunder was common for wars in that age, however God specifically directed the Israelites to be more humane because looking into previous passages further we see that a peace offering was first offered instead of immediate attack - uncommon for that day but obviously not strategic for potential war situation
as for the not published bit,
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George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological status of the word." Ellis, G.F.R. 1993. The Anthropic Principle: Laws and Environments. The Anthropic Principle, F. Bertola and U.Curi, ed. New York, Cambridge University Press, p. 30. |
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i can go on too.
in any case this discussion has not gotten anywhere and its pointless to continue since it seems there is no acknowledgement of my evidence or any given evidence against (with the exception of the Bible verses that were misinterpreted, that is evidence of misinterpreting the Bible)
and obviously no conclusion that will be reached by the contributors
and it seems we are getting to a point where personal attacks are starting which means its no longer a discussion
so hopefully third parties who are actually listening and thinking about each post will just look at this topic and decide as they see fit
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 12:20 PM
| QUOTE (w00t @ Aug 21 2010, 08:07 PM) |
| i can go on too. in any case this discussion has not gotten anywhere and its pointless to continue since it seems there is no acknowledgement of my evidence or any given evidence against (with the exception of the Bible verses that were misinterpreted, that is evidence of misinterpreting the Bible) |
That's because you haven't given any "evidence".
All you have stated are various quotes and excerpts. To back up a (not very strong) viewpoint. Your arguments sound similar to arguments of ignorance. For example -- You have no evidence there isn't a teapot on the moon, so therefore the is one.
Also what you said before was something like this:
- There is a gap in scientific knowledge.
- The gap is filled with acts of God (or intelligent designer) and therefore proves the existence of God (or intelligent designer).
On another note, why does this supposed "God" only have influence in Israel in the bible?
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 01:55 PM
You failed to respond to me about how there has been no evidence provided to support your ID, including when it was dragged up in court.
It's listed as a theological viewpoint, not scientific.
It's listed as a theological viewpoint, not scientific.
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um that argument is for creation and if the argument says that there is an overwhelming chance that it was designed that way, how can the God who is the designer have a slim chance of existence - and what evidence have you presented for that? none. you just simply stated something. as with all your arguments |
Because you said it was so utterly slim for the universe as it is to have formed because of its complexity. Yet for a being to create that must mean it would be much more complex. So the chance of this 'designer' occurring is smaller still than the universe occurring as it is with no designer.
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 05:05 PM
dude wth jus happened to my post.
I personally believe in a sort of creative force, but I really don't think that it's something that can conciously pick sides and influence human civilization, for better or worse, today. TBH God to me is almost analogous to the Big Bang hehehe
I think at this point that it's interpretation that's the issue - because I think you and I would both agree that indeed there was some force that started everything - but whether it was random, or if it was true "creation" is really the only difference you and I share. Again, a reason why I don't believe Jesus being a son of God - it's technically impossible to have a human being formed from a force like that. Personally the mesiah to me is really a new creative force generated when the universe is, for whatever reason, about to destroy itself, so that it can recreate itself again. (Of course, it's unknown even if the universe will collapse or just keep expanding...)
and wtf is w00t talking about again
I personally believe in a sort of creative force, but I really don't think that it's something that can conciously pick sides and influence human civilization, for better or worse, today. TBH God to me is almost analogous to the Big Bang hehehe
I think at this point that it's interpretation that's the issue - because I think you and I would both agree that indeed there was some force that started everything - but whether it was random, or if it was true "creation" is really the only difference you and I share. Again, a reason why I don't believe Jesus being a son of God - it's technically impossible to have a human being formed from a force like that. Personally the mesiah to me is really a new creative force generated when the universe is, for whatever reason, about to destroy itself, so that it can recreate itself again. (Of course, it's unknown even if the universe will collapse or just keep expanding...)
and wtf is w00t talking about again
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 05:47 PM
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| Because you said it was so utterly slim for the universe as it is to have formed because of its complexity. Yet for a being to create that must mean it would be much more complex. So the chance of this 'designer' occurring is smaller still than the universe occurring as it is with no designer. |
which is why the designer has to be an omnipotent, omnipresent being aka God
or else you would be right, it would not make sense if the designer was someone like you or me
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| - The gap is filled with acts of God (or intelligent designer) and therefore proves the existence of God (or intelligent designer). |
I guess i will be politically correct and say it does not prove wholly, but points towards the fact and logic dictates its more logical
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| You failed to respond to me about how there has been no evidence provided to support your ID, including when it was dragged up in court. |
I actually have not heard of a court case, can you site one for me so I can look it up?
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| TBH God to me is almost analogous to the Big Bang hehehe |
ah yes that theory, to be honest I cant comment on that because I dont know how God created everything, all the Bible says is that He spoke and it happened so what you say could be a possibility because God can use anything
to me though the way God created the universe doesnt matter as much as the simple fact that He did.
guys when you write an educated paper, you quote things cite books, research results, essays written by people with higher education and then you make a statement
- which is what ive done
this is called evidence to an educated discussion
you guys have only made statements
no citations
if you guys had tried to make this argument in an educated setting then people would have just thrown out your arguments because a statement by itself would just be called bias
i know some of my citations have been from the Bible itself which it feels like anytime i mention it, theres an immediate counter because of a solid belief that the Bible isnt true on your side
however I am pretty darn sure that it is evident that my way of taking statements from the Bible is a much more educated on that yours
example - you simply look at a passage and say "i dont like what it says, therefore its wrong"
where as I have been going - "yeah at a first glance this passage doesnt seem too good, but lets look at the passages before and after and do some research on the historical and cultural context to make sure I dont misunderstand something
I even gave two references to (basically) autobiographies about a men (Lee Strobel and the late Antony Flew) who were athiests, probably had all the same arguments and more than you do, have a much better education than you (i am assuming), Antony Flew was famous for his books on atheism even and yet when you hear that they renounce atheism and then suddenly claim there is a God, none of you even stop to think about it?
interesting
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 06:22 PM
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because its true and you guys have provided prime examples of it |
Ok then that means that there is more than one way to interprete it then if it can be mis-interpreted. And sorry if I don't know a ton of facts like some of the other ppl here do, I haven't been Christian for oh, over half my life, and even then all I ever did was attend church at easter and christmas, which by the way, are pagan holidys actually.
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:27 PM
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which is why the designer has to be an omnipotent, omnipresent being aka God or else you would be right, it would not make sense if the designer was someone like you or me |
And we've hit theology.
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I mentioned it already, the Dover case.
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:50 PM
Well I'm gonna go ahead and say what I've been holding back for the sake of keeping a flame war from erupting, but since Knight is here to mod, I'll say it.
Your theory that god created everything means that your "god" is an evil and sadistic god. If he created EVERYTHING, that means he created MURDER, he created RAPE, he created SIN altogether. If god didn't want murder, there'd be no murder. If he did not want rape there would be no rape. Sure you can blame sin on the devil but GOD created Lucifer, therefore Lucifer is only capable of what GOD wanted him to be. So you see, if god truely created the universe and everything in it, then he wanted sin. He wants us to suffer. If he was so omnipotent, he could end hunger, he could end murder, he could end rape, but he does nothing. We continue to suffer, praying to the "holy" man in the sky, and horrible things continue to happen to us. Why? Cuz if god ACTUALLY got involved, we would lose our free will. Even tho my friend was murdered and my first girlfriend raped I'd be SO UNHAPPY with my lack of free will if God ACTUALLY got involved and saved them. You see free will is what makes me see these things.
Your theory that god created everything means that your "god" is an evil and sadistic god. If he created EVERYTHING, that means he created MURDER, he created RAPE, he created SIN altogether. If god didn't want murder, there'd be no murder. If he did not want rape there would be no rape. Sure you can blame sin on the devil but GOD created Lucifer, therefore Lucifer is only capable of what GOD wanted him to be. So you see, if god truely created the universe and everything in it, then he wanted sin. He wants us to suffer. If he was so omnipotent, he could end hunger, he could end murder, he could end rape, but he does nothing. We continue to suffer, praying to the "holy" man in the sky, and horrible things continue to happen to us. Why? Cuz if god ACTUALLY got involved, we would lose our free will. Even tho my friend was murdered and my first girlfriend raped I'd be SO UNHAPPY with my lack of free will if God ACTUALLY got involved and saved them. You see free will is what makes me see these things.
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 09:58 PM
Every time I have a discussion on this subject I hear the same thing: God just is.
Cause and effect, people.
Quoting myself from another forum: In my view, making something in such a situation inexplicable is merely the perfect disguise to the non-existence thereof.
Also, I can't really be bother to read through it all. Could someone give me a very quick summary?
Cause and effect, people.
Quoting myself from another forum: In my view, making something in such a situation inexplicable is merely the perfect disguise to the non-existence thereof.
Also, I can't really be bother to read through it all. Could someone give me a very quick summary?
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:10 PM
I didn't really read all of it either.
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:15 PM
Bleh.
w00t believes in intelligent design as a scientific reason for god. I and others have disagreed on this, and also disagreed on intelligent design being scientific at all. He also believes that the bible is correct, and more disagreement.
Again, bleh. It's a pointless topic, really.
w00t believes in intelligent design as a scientific reason for god. I and others have disagreed on this, and also disagreed on intelligent design being scientific at all. He also believes that the bible is correct, and more disagreement.
Again, bleh. It's a pointless topic, really.
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Posted 22 August 2010 - 05:41 PM
w00t...
STOP ACTING LIKE YOUR BELIEFS ARE TRUTH THEY ARE TOTALLY YOUR OWN OPINION. THIS WHOLE TOPIC IS IMO. SRSLY
STOP ACTING LIKE YOUR BELIEFS ARE TRUTH THEY ARE TOTALLY YOUR OWN OPINION. THIS WHOLE TOPIC IS IMO. SRSLY
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Posted 22 August 2010 - 06:44 PM
| QUOTE (Charon the Ferryman @ Aug 22 2010, 01:41 PM) |
| w00t... STOP ACTING LIKE YOUR BELIEFS ARE TRUTH THEY ARE TOTALLY YOUR OWN OPINION. THIS WHOLE TOPIC IS IMO. SRSLY |
+1
Tho to be fair Charon most devout Chrisitians are this way. Note I said most not all so nobody get mad at me plox.
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