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[Holy Kensai]

Meh, that's one way to look at it. Moreso everyone is an attention whore, just in highschool it's split up into labels. Then as adults it's done sneakier.

That's why hysteria is useless when alone.

[Tino]

Suzaku, you're completely missing Kensai's point. I recommend you read this on the skater/skateboarding culture, then reconsider your statements.

[Leo]

I suggest you guys read this:

http://www.fourfa.com/

It's a pretty good explanation of the origins of emo, way back in the 80's punk scene.


Also, I would object to the above posters assertation that emos are just attention seekers.

[Holy Kensai]

Thank you Tino.

As for Leo, I am slowly spreading to how everyone is an attention seeker, thus mentioning hysteria. No sane person gos hysterical when alone,that just makes one feel foolish. Emo to me is just a method or style of attention seeking, as Metal is a style of music to a band.

[AS Deadly]

Actually, I agree with kensai. You see ridiculous displays of "emo" people, for example I frequently see CLEARLY heterosexual males displaying acts of homosexualism. Not that I have anything against it. (Off topic.)

Anyway, emo can mean many things. My personal opinion is that they are, in fact, seeking attention. Why else would two heterosexual males make out with each other? To get attention. Acts of nonconformity ALWAYS gather attention.

[Leo]

[Holy Kensai]

@ Deadly, you mentioned non-conformity, but have you noticed they all non-conform the same way? In a conformed manner?

@Leo, Because they do it in some of the most pretentious and self-loving ways, while claiming they are "deep" and hate themselves or their lives.

Also, this is not prejudice, this is the attention they wanted.

[AS Deadly]

Okay, bad wording, not CLEARLY heterosexual...you can just...kinda tell, I guess? It's obvious to me, anyway.

[Felover3]

Most people complain to get attention, and slitting your wrists gets sympathy.

I hate attention whoring...it gets annoying...

Which is why I complete what needs to be done, talk some politics with my friends, then sleep in class, to avoid all that stuff...

It also means I have very little friends and too much free time, which is besides the point entirely.

[Tsuki-Hime]

Hmm emo's. I don't really agree with most of what's been said here. I mean alot of people "the stereotypes" are indeed people who act "emo" to seek attention, after observing 3 highschools I found that the Year 8's (the youngest lot) often claimed to be emo and dressed in ways that would imply emo. These people are plain attention seekers, it's hard to question otherwise.

On the other hand you have people who literally suffer from some "dark idea" I mean depression is a pshycologically accepted state of mind, and calling everyone with depression "emo" (in the attention seeking sense) is perhaps wrong.

It applies to the typical wrist cutting, I mean anyone can get a knife put it up against their wrist and say "I'm emo" but the act of actually cutting yourself is another matter. My personal belief is if they want to die, let them die. But I wouldn't call them attention seekers just because they botched a suicide attempt.

I disagree with the heterosexual argument though, from what I believe I think the homosexuality in that comes from two things, one is loneliness and being weak willed to the extent you will seek acceptance in anything and that includes another fellow "emo" whether they be male or female.

The second is homosexual tendencies that harbour within the individual, one could be an "emo" yet hate the male/male kissing. Because they have a strong anti-homosexual belief. This is an exception (as Kensai(?) said) but I'm sure if they wanted attention they would have chosen a more... socially accepted method of gaining it. And it's not like trying to kill yourself isn't going to get them enough attention as it is.

Overall I don't have anything against the actual "emo's" while I find the wannabe emo's distasteful. If your attitude is that they are all mere attention seekers then perhaps you are right, but society gives attention to them by choice, if it wanted to it could most likely ignore it (as it's done to many minorities in the past)

what most of you are discussing seems like fashion to me, something that grew popular in a minority group that the general public isn't too happy about, as proof alot of supposed emo's dress like them but aren't even remotely 'emo" inside.

I personally think the world sucks, I think that I'm alone in this big scary world. However on the same note I don't really give a damn, the world sucks it always has, I'll whinge about it cause it's there but I also know my whining isn't going to change anything. This probably puts me somewhere in the emo category but I definetely won't kill myself because the world sucks, that's the worlds problem why should I die because of it? And I certainly won't make out with others of the same gender.....

On that note it's funny how guys making out can = emo, but when girls do it most males think of it as hot >_> Twisted logic right there.

[Leo]

[Holy Kensai]

It is not a stereotype, it is a psychological analysis.

Here's a stereotype, there is no Japanese Emos, they're too busy nerding it up cosplaying.

Also, if I said emos are gay, I did not mean in a homosexual way. If you are refering to what Deadly said, he meant emo = fake gay. Which is most of the time true.

I don't know if it's just me, but after looking at someone I have a 95% success rate in guessing their sexual orientation, and what situations they would have to be in to experiment or whatnot.

[Tsuki-Hime]

[Holy Kensai]

1) It is a psychological analysis because them doing what they do, fitting under the label of "emo" or any of high school label, is simply attention seeking. This has been proven, go to university sometime when you have spare time.
2)It wasn't supposed to work, the stereotype was all Japanese people cosplay.
3) It is a number made up off of my head, because I have never been wrong. I figured I'd take off 5% simply for future possibilities.
4) "Fake gays" Are heterosexual people who do homosexual things to attract the attention of girls, or try to be different, or whatnot. If they do not like cock in their orifices, but pretend to, they are "fake gay".
5)I hardly see how this is a spat, until I point out how my "sense of superiority" is "false, just there to piss people off" as Para put it.

[Tsuki-Hime]

1) I go to a University and took 6 months in psycology as an elective of my degree (It's not my major) however while it can be argued children of your age are naturally attention seekers, The topic of "emo" was discussed in one of the lecture and it was never discussed as a method of "attention seeking" rather on the note of "over-sensitive people who most likely suffer from a negative state of mind" If it has been proven I'd like to see references because while it's easy to come upon simple "emo bashing" I have yet to see a reputable character of institution label "emo's" as simply attention seekers. This seems more like your opinion more then anything else.

2) Hmmm? Heh.... Hahahaha, what kind of sad deprived place do you live in? Or is it some warped sense of stereotypes that made you type such a ridiculous perspective, "All japanese people cosplay?" that stereotype (or ridiculous statement) is something I've never heard and I'd consider it a joke from someone from the current time period. Even as a joke that example is stretching it, Stereotypes usually apply to the majority or common traits, cosplaying fits into neither.

3) So I would be right in guessing that you've walked up and confirmed you were accurate in your beleif each time? The word "egotistical" define you pretty nicely in my opinion, again I repeat, just because you deem somone to be homosexual doesn't make them homosexual, just because you think everyone around you is heterosexual doesn't mean that there are no homosexuals.

4)Your first comment is an example of bisexuals, being different is too vague to count as an argument, and whatnot isn't an argument at all, so a male who only like being the dominator in a relationship is not gay in your definition? Since not all males are open to the idea of "Having a cock in their orifices" As for your pretend to I've seen people who are by no means emo (stupid year 8 kids you think "Your mom" is the best comeback ever) pretend to be gay for laughs and hence your example is not restricted or even linked to the group know as "emo"

5) That would depend on your definition of "spat" I guess, any disagreement that carries on for more then a few words or so I consider a spat, disagreeing is what we are doing, validating and devaluating eachothers comment I believe can be considered a spat.

[Holy Kensai]

1) Your university sucks then. Go to a real one, AKA outside of United States. Assuming you live there, as they have horrible psychology studies.

2)It's a stereotype I made up off the top of my head, because of talk of cosplay with someone at the time. My logic is cosplay is done mostly by the Japanese, therefore all Japanese cosplay. Not all stereotypes have to work.

3) Actually, yes I did. Most people around here are quite friendly and will eagerly answer simple questions when meeting new people. No one cares about sexual orientation here but old people. Well, religious old people.

4)No it is not. A bisexual is someone who is attracted to both males and females. I clearly said one who is only attracted to females, but does stuff with males to attract females. Being different as in same as above, but instead of to attract females, is to try to be unique and different from their peers. Whatnot is other little stupid reasons, basically leading to the same as above for one purpose or another. I did not link it to emos, Deadly did and you assumed it was me, I am just explaining what he meant.

4) A spat is more like
K:You're smelly.
T:Take that back lughead!
K: Bring momma's boy.
T: You're going down dipstick.
K: Whatever...Peredus.
T: Wow. Dude. Way too far.

[Leo]

[Holy Kensai]

1) Japan might have different psychological studies then. I go by Canadian and German, German being the leading in almost all sciences. Also, if my memory serves me right, then Tsuki is Australian with Japanese ancestry.
2)I use stereotypes cause they're funny. Like for above, criminals know the psychology used on them, not real psychology. That was a shot at Australia.
3)They are attention whores, all humans are. Prove me wrong.
4)I can guess their sexuality, and what they would consider doing in certain situations. For example, I was able to guess that a girl I had barely known for an hour was heterosexual but wanted to experiment, but would only do so in a MFF threesome.

[Tsuki-Hime]

1) I'm Japanese, with Japanese who was temporarily in Australia, I'm actually back in Japan at the moment xD Probably go back to Aust, in a few more months though. Either way I attend a Japanese Uni as an external student even when I'm in Australia, so while your memory was correct it's no longer true! XD
2)After thinking about it, I've realised my ideas on the matter where incorrect, however can't exactly agree with the definition which has been provided, because from what both Kensai and Leo have written a stereotype is an inaccurate portrayal of a certain group based on lacking or flawed knowledge. And if you(Kensai) agree with that your essentially saying the general view towards emo's is an inaccurate portryal.
3) I'm confused, first you bash emo's for being attention whores, and now your saying all humans are? I know you don't think too highly of the human race, but listing emo's as distasteful when they confirm to the rest of the human race in terms of attention seeking is a bit.... off?
4) And here I was thinking Australia and Japan were bad, I always associated Canada as the better Australia, but if what you say is true (and not just one of your warped views) Canada is the sexual freak show of the world, if you can go around asking people their sexual orientation like it's a greeting, I mean being open about sex is fine and all until is crosses a moral standard, one which Canada (according to you) has long crossed.
4.5) I was told all you male teens thought about was sex but didn't take it seriously, though now I realise I should have. And applied it to certain types of people. After you explanation I still fail to see how they are fake gays, since your scenario closely resembles the scenario of "guy goes out with girl A to make girl B jealous" if one is willing to commit to homosexual acts, while being heterosexual It show that they are willing to commit homosexual acts. And again being different = attention whore is flawed as all humans are (according to you) attention whores and therefore it's either an accepted trait or something which humans generally have hence picking on a specific group for having this trait is unfair.
5)After looking the word "spat" the most frequent definition (regarding a conversation between individuals) was "a petty quarrel" this had led me to believe both your version and my version of a spat are accepted as petty while often translated as minor/unimportant also apparently also can be "mean" and a quarrel can be a angry disagreement or a normal disagreement. Hence while I have certain problems with your example, (ie what is being disputed) as which seems merely based on aggravating the other.

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