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[Holy Kensai]

From a purely scientific point of view, marijuana is horrible for plenty of reasons. Mainly cognitive damaging ones.

And yes, Marijuana is a gateway drug. You can't use your personal experiences to argue that either. You have to look at the grand picture. There will always be people who in engage in something and do not take it further.

Medically marijuana is almost solely used as a pain-killer. Pure THC on the other hand is a different case.

[Rujio]

QUOTE (Holy Kensai @ Mar 19 2012, 10:42 PM)

From a purely scientific point of view, marijuana is horrible for plenty of reasons. Mainly cognitive damaging ones.

But it's pretty obvious that you can't stop people from doing damaging things to themselves, so if it's legal at least the government can profit from it instead of pouring money we don't have into fighting it.

[Holy Kensai]

QUOTE (Rujio @ Mar 20 2012, 09:27 AM)

QUOTE (Holy Kensai @ Mar 19 2012, 10:42 PM) From a purely scientific point of view, marijuana is horrible for plenty of reasons. Mainly cognitive damaging ones. But it's pretty obvious that you can't stop people from doing damaging things to themselves, so if it's legal at least the government can profit from it instead of pouring money we don't have into fighting it.

Actually you can stop people from doing damaging things to themselves if they are educated right. Which is one of the biggest problems in the United States.

[Rujio]

People knowing it will hurt them won't stop them from doing it, though. Well educated people can still be stupid and irrational.

[Ristau]

QUOTE (Holy Kensai @ Mar 22 2012, 03:09 PM)

QUOTE (Rujio @ Mar 20 2012, 09:27 AM) QUOTE (Holy Kensai @ Mar 19 2012, 10:42 PM) From a purely scientific point of view, marijuana is horrible for plenty of reasons. Mainly cognitive damaging ones. But it's pretty obvious that you can't stop people from doing damaging things to themselves, so if it's legal at least the government can profit from it instead of pouring money we don't have into fighting it. Actually you can stop people from doing damaging things to themselves if they are educated right. Which is one of the biggest problems in the United States.

Incorrect. My school has done numerous things to stop drug related problems and to refrain from sex (abstinence sp.) through our health classes and through programs like D.A.R.E. This may work for some people, but I know plenty of personal friends who just don't give a ****. They do what they want to please their bodies. If people didn't like doing drugs, they wouldn't. This brings me back to the point that someone is born an addict, just as someone who may never drink alchohol EVER may still be an alchoholic genetically, but has chosen the path of not drinking ever.

[Holy Kensai]

QUOTE (Ryokutheman @ Mar 22 2012, 06:47 PM)

QUOTE (Holy Kensai @ Mar 22 2012, 03:09 PM) Actually you can stop people from doing damaging things to themselves if they are educated right.  Which is one of the biggest problems in the United States. Incorrect. My school has done numerous things to stop drug related problems and to refrain from sex (abstinence sp.) through our health classes and through programs like D.A.R.E. This may work for some people, but I know plenty of personal friends who just don't give a ****. They do what they want to please their bodies. If people didn't like doing drugs, they wouldn't. This brings me back to the point that someone is born an addict, just as someone who may never drink alchohol EVER may still be an alchoholic genetically, but has chosen the path of not drinking ever.

No my friend, you are incorrect. Well. Incorrect in calling me incorrect.

I am correct in that I said it can stop if educated right.

You are correct in that D.A.R.E. and such programs fail. It's well documented in psychology those kind of programs don't work unless they're constantly repeated every year from a very young age.

I won't even get in how silly abstinence programs are.

Pretty much what you are saying is people born with a genetic disposition towards an addiction can have environmental factors that can either cause or block one's decision to partake in that addiction. Yeah, I'll agree to that, and I'll say a proper education can be one of those environmental factors.

[Golden Warrior]

QUOTE (Holy Kensai @ Mar 22 2012, 03:09 PM)

Pretty much what you are saying is people born with a genetic disposition towards an addiction can have environmental factors that can either cause or block one's decision to partake in that addiction. Yeah, I'll agree to that, and I'll say a proper education can be one of those environmental factors.

I can agree to the education part, but I can't agree to genetic dispositions. To me, it's like saying that being homosexuality is a genetic disposition, which can't really be true. And if either of these are true, genetic disposition for drugs (Marijuana in this case), what part of genetics would it even be in?

[Zepher Tensho]

QUOTE (Holy Kensai @ Mar 25 2012, 06:35 AM)

QUOTE (Ryokutheman @ Mar 22 2012, 06:47 PM) QUOTE (Holy Kensai @ Mar 22 2012, 03:09 PM) Actually you can stop people from doing damaging things to themselves if they are educated right.  Which is one of the biggest problems in the United States. Incorrect. My school has done numerous things to stop drug related problems and to refrain from sex (abstinence sp.) through our health classes and through programs like D.A.R.E. This may work for some people, but I know plenty of personal friends who just don't give a ****. They do what they want to please their bodies. If people didn't like doing drugs, they wouldn't. This brings me back to the point that someone is born an addict, just as someone who may never drink alchohol EVER may still be an alchoholic genetically, but has chosen the path of not drinking ever. No my friend, you are incorrect. Well. Incorrect in calling me incorrect. I am correct in that I said it can stop if educated right. You are correct in that D.A.R.E. and such programs fail. It's well documented in psychology those kind of programs don't work unless they're constantly repeated every year from a very young age. I won't even get in how silly abstinence programs are. Pretty much what you are saying is people born with a genetic disposition towards an addiction can have environmental factors that can either cause or block one's decision to partake in that addiction. Yeah, I'll agree to that, and I'll say a proper education can be one of those environmental factors.

People will do what they want reguardless of education. I learned all about drugs and alcohol when i was 12 but i still drink and once smoked weed. Maybe it will reduce the chance of them using but its in no way a 100% preventative. People are rebellious by nature. The more you tel them they can do something the more they want to

[Holy Kensai]

Alright.

@Golden Warrior; actually homosexuality is mostly a genetic disposition, with a bit of environmental influences.
Now, exactly which string of chromosomes are they in? Tough to say. But there has been scientific studies done showing kids of alcoholic parents, with the kids being given away at birth to families who don't drink, were more likely to drink than kids of non-alcoholic parents under the same circumstances.

@Grey. Yes, you learned all about drugs and alcohol when you were 12. Which if you read my full post helps prove my point. Educated once does not mean educated right. And humans being naturally rebellious isn't that true. Adolescents are rebellious as they are trying to gain independence from their parents. There are some personality types that are rebellious. Most people are pretty compliant.

[kirant]

QUOTE (Holy Kensai @ Apr 1 2012, 10:53 AM)

@Golden Warrior; actually homosexuality is mostly a genetic disposition, with a bit of environmental influences.  Now, exactly which string of chromosomes are they in? Tough to say. But there has been scientific studies done showing kids of alcoholic parents, with the kids being given away at birth to families who don't drink, were more likely to drink than kids of non-alcoholic parents under the same circumstances.

Homosexuality has a massive pile of confusing issues. I remember a 60 Minutes segment (which, take it for what it is) looked at the issue of genes and both identical and fraternal twins who grow up in the same household.

Some searching yielded it:
http://video.google....589607318034090

I'm not sure they ever did a follow up...I'd be curious to see the changes in the results.

[Ristau]

It's all genetics. Sure, environmental factors DO contribute, but people who are addicted to things tend to be addicted to mutliple things and have family history. (That's pretty bullshit, but I'm pretty sure it's true ).

[Holy Kensai]

QUOTE (kirant @ Apr 2 2012, 09:04 PM)

QUOTE (Holy Kensai @ Apr 1 2012, 10:53 AM) @Golden Warrior; actually homosexuality is mostly a genetic disposition, with a bit of environmental influences.  Now, exactly which string of chromosomes are they in? Tough to say. But there has been scientific studies done showing kids of alcoholic parents, with the kids being given away at birth to families who don't drink, were more likely to drink than kids of non-alcoholic parents under the same circumstances. Homosexuality has a massive pile of confusing issues. I remember a 60 Minutes segment (which, take it for what it is) looked at the issue of genes and both identical and fraternal twins who grow up in the same household. Some searching yielded it: http://video.google....589607318034090 I'm not sure they ever did a follow up...I'd be curious to see the changes in the results.

First off, that is from at least 4 years ago, almost definitely more.

Second off, I read through numerous studies because I had to write a paper on it.

Third, there was a study done on adopted kids. Identical twins raised apart were more likely to both be homosexual than fraternal twins raised apart.

Trust me when I say homosexuality is mostly genetic.

@Ryoku, you cannot say addictions are purely genetics. I would say environment actually plays the biggest role. Genetics might give you a slight disposition to either being against or for addictions, but environment really determines it.

[Zepher Tensho]

Far be it for me to act like a mod but this thread isnt about homosexuality.

[Holy Kensai]

Technically it is. The discussion evolved from marijuana to addictions, and from addictions to nature versus nurture. Homosexuality was just a small detour that acted as a covariate.

[Axel]

I'm gonna be honest.. I'm a user. I'm not proud of it. But **** man, it makes me feel good, releases a LOT of stress, I'm aware it "kills my brain cells" and all that shit. But I don't really see the point in needing brain cells anymore, shit's beginning to stop matter much anymore. :/

#Rant

[Dath]

I'm a user. It does relieve stress. However, like stated before, it is proven to be a gateway drug. However, I know that I'm never going to do drugs like heroin, coke, or meth, so I'm fine.

There are no addictive qualities to marijuana, does less damage than cigarettes and alcohol, if we legalized it, we could tax the hell out of it, and damage the cartel/gangs' abilities to make money, etc.

I realize these are recycled stats and facts, but they're what I believe as well, so I thought I'd add my opinion.

[Holy Kensai]

Marijuana is psychologically addicting. And one joint is as bad for your lungs as five cigarettes. Marijuana has also been linked to a decrease in motivation.

[Dath]

^True, but you can get psychologically addicted to anything. It's also said that going cold turkey, it takes around one to two weeks to stop a majority of the drug cravings. If you can't last one or two weeks without getting high from pot, there's something wrong with you, more so than any addiction.

Marijuana isn't made from tobacco, it's made from cannabis, which is proven to be less harmful on lungs and heart than tobacco.

Also, pot is proven to lower blood pressure, making it ideal for people with (duh) high blood pressure.

[Holy Kensai]

When I said psychologically addicting, I meant to the same degree as chemically addicting. There are people who need their pot every day.

Cigarettes are filtered, and the method of smoking is different. Cigarettes you suck into your mouth and blow out, Marijuana (if you know what you're doing) you suck into your lungs and hold it there.

Slower breathing also lowers blood pressure.

[Zepher Tensho]

QUOTE (Holy Kensai @ Apr 5 2012, 11:49 PM)

Technically it is. The discussion evolved from marijuana to addictions, and from addictions to nature versus nurture. Homosexuality was just a small detour that acted as a covariate.

Oh im sorry i thought the title said marijuana silly me I guess i forgot how to read.