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#21 Dave Strider

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 10:59 PM

I don't really care as long as they aren't a total jerk. Does it affect you? Not really. So you shouldn't worry about t since it's none of you business.
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Posted 22 October 2009 - 02:14 AM

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Regarding the religious stuff, I believe that not being straight is not a sin. It isn't the person's fault they are homosexual, bisexual, or transexual. I haven't read a single word of the bible but I don't see in a single way it could be a sin. It's not hurting anyone, thing, or enviroment.


In the bible, it says to punish practicing homosexuals by death. Leviticus 20:13:

If a man lies with a man as he lies with a woman, he has committed an abomination. He shall be put to death, his blood shall be upon him.

But even still, Old Testament and New Testament are different. Christians practice the New Testament way of doing things (for the most part) and clearly they don't follow that law from the Old Testament. Some things from the Old Testament can just basically be ignored.

To be honest as I'm practicing theology and learning about religions (I'm atheist) you be surprise how corrupted the bible got throughout the years. In all honesty that part in which you mention was very likely corrupted so it hard to say where ever it was true or not. If you compare the oldest copy we have and the newest copy we a lot has change (Just like Shu pointed out). Apart from that it's possible that line it true but not follow in the Christian's church as the pope himself declare homosexuality legitimate and approve. Anyone who uses the church against homosexuality is (I'm sorry) a idiot for not paying attention to there own religion. Just like how people convert in Judaism which is impossible as you have to be born as a Hebrew.

Anyway apart from that I know homosexual and a bisexual and friends with both. I myself understand why you should love someone for who they are and now there body. Many people find it hard to understand a bisexual because it weird you like both genders but in truth there probably the best as they look for the person heart more then body. Let say you were blind and could never tell what was the person gender would be then obviously you look for there personality. It wouldn't matter if it was a boy or a girl as you don't know but instead you would just love them for who they are. Clearly sight has a effect on one love life as it distracts them from looking deep down. It's not what one body is but who they are that makes you love them. Anyway I could go on but you guys get the point.
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Posted 24 October 2009 - 06:52 PM

Personally, I don't mind the 'gay'. They're ususally good people for the most part. But when they start hitting on me, that's when I just back away and draw the line.

Politically and Religiously, I really could care less about their views on the concept of 'gays'. The homo/bisexual people have the right to live and do whatever they want with their lives, as long as it doesnt go into extremes like murder and rape. They ought to leave them alone.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 02:14 AM

Kind of old, but... well, some serious discussion is needed here. I don't know how FES has changed since my last time here, but if it is anything like it once was, it could use some serious topic revival.

As for my input; I don't mind. I'm a Christian, and have been for (most) all of my life, but I don't seriously mind it. I think that the God of the old testament and the God of the new testament are two seriously different beings. God of the old testament? Kill kids. God of the new? Spank 'em. See the difference, there? /serious.

I have found no real evidence that God literally disapproves of homosexuality (meh, sure he -does-, because it goes against his breeding laws,) but even if I did, I understand it is not a choice (or at least a conscious one, if, by chance, it is). And, life is really short, so people should really just be happy as much as possible.
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Posted 07 April 2010 - 08:37 AM

Bump to Prevent the Obama topic from getting off track.

Gay Marriage:
I'm for it. I'm straight but seriously. If they love each other why not? That's like saying a white guy and a black girl can't get married because of their ethnicity. It's discrimination. Also if God is all loving, therefor I feel that he wouldn't mind gay marriage due to the happiness they would feel for each other but all of the fundamentalists feel that God's love doesn't apply to gays just like they persecuted blacks and other foreigners. Also not having a marriage license isn't going to stop the couple from being together. Married or not they'd live as a couple. So marriage or no marriage they'd be together. Not allowing marriage isn't going to stop people from loving one another. People like to THINK it does, so I ask again why not? They don't hurt anyone. They just have a different sexual preference. Who in society has the rights to prohibit others from exercising their rights because of their rights?

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 08:50 AM

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If they love each other why not? That's like saying a white guy and a black girl can't get married because of their ethnicity. It's discrimination. Also if God is all loving, therefor I feel that he wouldn't mind gay marriage due to the happiness they would feel for each other but all of the fundamentalists feel that God's love doesn't apply to gays just like they persecuted blacks and other foreigners. Also not having a marriage license isn't going to stop the couple from being together. Married or not they'd live as a couple. So marriage or no marriage they'd be together. Not allowing marriage isn't going to stop people from loving one another. People like to THINK it does, so I ask again why not? They don't hurt anyone. They just have a different sexual preference. Who in society has the rights to prohibit others from exercising their rights because of their rights?

Because it's a sin. Remember reading about how God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? It was because of their sinful lifestyle. Granted, Old Testament God seems like he was having a bad day, and New Testament God is the widely accepted one today, but hey, it happened.

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 08:52 AM

But if God created everyone, then he also created Gay's... because sometimes he knew we would need help in getting the party started
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Posted 07 April 2010 - 09:46 AM

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If they love each other why not? That's like saying a white guy and a black girl can't get married because of their ethnicity. It's discrimination. Also  if God is all loving, therefor I feel that he wouldn't mind gay marriage due to the happiness they would feel for each other but all of the fundamentalists feel that God's love doesn't apply to gays just like they persecuted blacks and other foreigners. Also not having a marriage license isn't going to stop the couple from being together. Married or not they'd live as a couple. So marriage or no marriage they'd be together. Not allowing marriage isn't going to stop people from loving one another. People like to THINK it does, so I ask again why not? They don't hurt anyone. They just have a different sexual preference. Who in society has the rights to prohibit others from exercising their rights because of their rights?

Because it's a sin. Remember reading about how God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? It was because of their sinful lifestyle. Granted, Old Testament God seems like he was having a bad day, and New Testament God is the widely accepted one today, but hey, it happened.

The old testament was written by Orthodox Jews who weren't very knowledgeable. They offered sacrifices to God and feared God rather than worshiping him. It would make sense for a writer to add in something such as hatred against gays in the bible because gays didn't have a voice and knowing it would be ride spread it would help in discrimination against them essentially trying to beat it into the world that gays are evil or are lesser beings than everyone else. Also my theory is a lot more than just one line about love Dan.

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 12:28 PM

Er, god? Not everyone believes in god.

And the Old Testament is ridiculous. It has no real relevance in the world of today.

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 03:29 PM

QUOTE (Oblivion Knight @ April 07, 2010 04:37 am)
Bump to Prevent the Obama topic from getting off track.

Gay Marriage:
I'm for it. I'm straight but seriously. If they love each other why not? That's like saying a white guy and a black girl can't get married because of their ethnicity. It's discrimination. Also  if God is all loving, therefor I feel that he wouldn't mind gay marriage due to the happiness they would feel for each other but all of the fundamentalists feel that God's love doesn't apply to gays just like they persecuted blacks and other foreigners. Also not having a marriage license isn't going to stop the couple from being together. Married or not they'd live as a couple. So marriage or no marriage they'd be together. Not allowing marriage isn't going to stop people from loving one another. People like to THINK it does, so I ask again why not? They don't hurt anyone. They just have a different sexual preference. Who in society has the rights to prohibit others from exercising their rights because of their rights?

The reason why people are against gay marriage isn't completely because they think it'll stop gays from loving one another. If I recall correctly, some of the large reasons are that they believe marriage must be "protected" as a bond between a man and a woman. Another thing is that if gays can marry, they'll "lose the right to teach their children the values they believe in."

In some ways, legal gay marriage affects the education system, as they tell children when they are young that being gay is alright. This of course upsets the anti-gay community. The California Prop 8 campaign, a campaign you'll soon learn I absolutely despise, illustrated this in such a way to make it look like it's a bad thing and tries to make people feel bad about the people who'll no longer be able to teach their kids that being gay is a sin.

Never mind the fact that by teaching kids when they're young that being gay is alright would likely make things better for kids who are struggling with their sexuality, or the fact that something that helps reduce discrimination would actually be a good thing. But people are attached to their negative values against gays, and thus do not want gay marriage.

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 10:11 PM

Need I remind anyone here who is against gays that the Westboro Baptist Church is very badly hurting your arguement whether you agree with them or not since they are christian. Anyone who doesn't know who the WBC is ----> http://forums.feshri...?showtopic=2931
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Posted 07 April 2010 - 11:02 PM

@Dan: If God destroyed two cities just for their life style that hurts no one, that's called discrimination. Homophobia is no better than sexism or racism, all three are just discrimination. Why would God purposely make LGBT people the way they are so they can be hated, shunned, ect? It makes no sense, and doesn't God love all his children according to Christianity? It makes no sense. And if you say they have a choice and choose to be sinful, not really. It's their natural mind set, it'd be like asking you to be gay.
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Posted 01 June 2010 - 01:08 AM

This is kind of old but...

I personally think that homosexuality/Bisexuality is perfectly fine. I'm Catholic and it kind of pisses me off that even though the church says its ok to be gay, you aren't allowed to fornicate or get married. The only thing that I have a problem with is cross dressing. If you're gay fine, but that doesn't mean you have to play dress up.


An as I'm typing this there is an ad for gay singles on the bottom of this page, so the internet approves >_>


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Posted 01 June 2010 - 01:18 AM

Its cuz the google bot watches whats typed in posts and posts ads that match whats being talked about.
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Posted 01 July 2010 - 02:15 PM

It's just useless to be against homo, bi or transexual people, because there exept of their sexual penchant just like you and me and many of them are great persons like Keith Haring, Selma Lagerlöf, Alexander the Great, Leonardo da Vinci, Lyn, Ike and Heather.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 04:10 PM

Eh. I'm surprised I haven't commented on this yet.

1)Homosexuality is caused by a deficiency in the brain.
2)You cannot use God against homosexuals, for two very important reasons. A)If you believe in God, you believe we're all products of thousands of years of incest, so we're all horribly mutated and God doesn't love any of us. B)The bible states God only loves fat people, not skinny people, so it doesn't really matter anyways.
3)Flamboyant homosexuals can go burn. Neil Patrick Harris is a good homosexual. Homosexuals can be normal too. There is no need to be an annoying douche and project your homosexuality everywhere because you are insecure about it. Chances are, you're just homosexual because it's the 'in' thing with people today.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 05:35 PM

well I have an indecisive opinion on this whole thing, I used to be completely 100% against it, why? because, yes religion and because I grew up hearing from my parents that its bad and sinful.

the reason I stopped being 100% against it was because my exgirlfriend within the first few months of our relationship told me she was bisexual and asked me how I felt about it, I didn't want to say it but I had to tell the truth, she was then crying a river of tears and I felt like a terrible person, the next day I told her I accepted her for who she was, then she was really happy, but then a few days after that she said she was straight again, so thats enough evidence to tell me thats it IS a choice.

Also know someone that is a lesbian, she goes to church and is religious, and so was my exgirlfriend so thats what made me realize that religion isn't an excuse for this.

so now I'm not 100% against it, but im not 100% accepting of it either, im not gonna be a jerk to someone because of it, but I have no idea what makes a person attracted to who they are attracted to, but I'm 100% straight and it's none of my business what sex other people are attracted to, its their life not mine, they have the right to make whatever choices they want.

also in church today my pastor said " love your family, love your friends, love your neighbor and even love your enemies"

even if homosexuality and bisexuality is bad according to the bible, and even if it does make them my "enemies" I am to treat them like I would my family and friends.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 06:11 PM

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well I have an indecisive opinion on this whole thing, I used to be completely 100% against it, why? because, yes religion and because I grew up hearing from my parents that its bad and sinful.

the reason I stopped being 100% against it was because my exgirlfriend within the first few months of our relationship told me she was bisexual and asked me how I felt about it, I didn't want to say it but I had to tell the truth, she was then crying a river of tears and I felt like a terrible person, the next day I told her I accepted her for who she was, then she was really happy, but then a few days after that she said she was straight again, so thats enough evidence to tell me thats it IS a choice.

Also know someone that is a lesbian, she goes to church and is religious, and so was my exgirlfriend so thats what made me realize that religion isn't an excuse for this.

so now I'm not 100% against it, but im not 100% accepting of it either, im not gonna be a jerk to someone because of it, but I have no idea what makes a person attracted to who they are attracted to, but I'm 100% straight and it's none of my business what sex other people are attracted to, its their life not mine, they have the right to make whatever choices they want.

also in church today my pastor said " love your family, love your friends, love your neighbor and even love your enemies"

even if homosexuality and bisexuality is bad according to the bible, and even if it does make them my "enemies" I am to treat them like I would my family and friends.

Exactly. The christian faith is full of hypocrites (no offense to anyone here whos christian). And I say that because of what you said Ezra. They preach to treat everyone well and love pretty much everyone. But if someone is gay, suddenly they aren't deserving of being treated as equal because its "sinful". It just a circle of retarded condradiction that makes my head spin.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 06:29 PM

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yes, a lot of people can be hypocritical, even I sometimes catch myself contradicting myself every now and then,.

no matter what someone tells me, whether it be advice, an order or even the law, I don't HAVE to follow it, I CHOOSE to follow it, I'm not saying I would break the law obviously because then I would be put in jail but thats just an example.

Im a christian, but Im not going to do everything that the church tells me to do, only what I believe is right, if I listened to everything they told me to do I would be a mindless puppet. lots of groups such as government and churchs have a lot of people that will make everyone fall into their mind games and tricks until they are takeing every sentence that comes out of their mouths as the absolute truth.

if your church told you it was sinful to eat food would you stop eating? I know I wouldn't, there is a difference between being a christian and going to church, going to church doesn't make you a christian any more then standing in a garage makes you a car.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 07:08 PM

@Ezra. To be fair, every teenage girl is 'bisexual' these days. It's called a trend.

Also, 'if your church told you it was sinful to eat food would you stop eating?' Um. Lent. And that fasting thing Muslims(I think) do every now and then.

Also, there are churches for a lot more than just christianity.

My point is, homosexuals are just a type of person who are waiting to die and are addicted to people of the same sex. You can say the same about every single person, just replace what they're addicted to.
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