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#201 DH_Ninja

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 09:41 AM

QUOTE (Blazer @ Jun 30 2013, 08:24 AM)
Leon

he's a murdering bastard and that's the only development he gets/doesn't even really show up until the end yet he's made out to be something bigger. just an awful character.

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though if you're talking stats/usability/etc. wise

I'd say Rachel is probably the worst (and Rachel is one of my fav characters so this has little to do with whether I like her or not)

and then it's like a tie between Corben and Howard maybe, followed by Sai, Risk, Arthur, and Yue in no particular order (Yue Arthur and Sai are great characters but are simply not in long enough, Risk is only solid but I don't think he ends up as great a character late game and his supports are lacking as well IIRC so yeah)



I'll go into Leon later. But here's my opinion on these characters.

Arthur - Useable as soon as you get him in chapter 5 and is useable through out the entirety of Siegfried's mode. Arthur has 6 chapters of use and then disappears until chapter 21. Also he's the only other light caster in the game. But he will see use but isn't worth training sadly.

Risk - Appears in chapter 21 too. He's a Pre-Promote and comes with the Immortal Sword if promoted. This can be acquired in a much later chapter if you miss recruiting Risk (why would you?) He makes a good substitute unit.

Corben - Useable in chapter 2 - 10. And then useable from 15ish onwards. He's average. This doesn't make him awful and his useability in general is pretty good.

Yue - The First Dark Magic user we get. But ultimately, I feel Rana is better, however Rana comes in during a rough chapter. He has the same problem as Sai. But I feel more inclined to give Yue a shot because he comes with an amulet. Also, he has the potential to use the Munio tome, for this alone I feel he's going to be above Sai just because Munio is amazing.

Sai - The second true axe user we get. And he comes in late. For some reason Sai is much more disliked in that he's something that people want and he ends up being well, very disliked for being hard to use. There's not only this factor but the fact that Gary exist. And Gary is always going to be excellent. Additionally the only thing he comes with that seems remotely useful is a Dragon Axe.

I've heard he turns out just like Gary if you invest hard into him but it takes a lot of work to even get that far. Also by that point your choosing which units you want to use.

Rachel - The chapters of useability. However she does come with Phosphora, a bow which grants +3 speed. However she has 1 support. More please However, during these three chapters of use.

Howard - Is an antagonist through out most of the game but is recruitable. Over all he isn't very useable and comes in the same chapter as Yue and Sai. However, if you're doing poorly he makes an okay unit to substitute.

However, Howard has a few advantages. First off, Howard can use all three weapons in the weapon triangle. Howard also has maneuverability which is valuable.

As a bonus, I feel like there's some incentive to use Howard due to build up.

You know. In general, Chapter 21 is SHIT for recruitment. Everyone you get is ugh.



So let's see. My verdict.

Corben shouldn't really be a candidate.

Risk comes with an unbreakable sword and makes an okay substitute I think. But yeah, he is rather mediocre.

Howard has maneuverability and utility and I think this places him above at least a few on this list.

Arthur has some early game use at least but falls off, so this means he will at the very least get used.

Yue is a candidate for Munio which is worth using. But does have competition in the form of Rana.

Sai is a low blow to the players and is hard to build up for useability. But can be good from what I understand. However. There is Gary.

Rachel has three chapters of useability but is fully useable for all of those chapters. She also comes with the S ranked bow. Granted she also has 1 support. More please


If I were to place these characters in order from best to worst.

Corben - Useability, Average, Consistent. Why is he a candidate?

Arthur - Early useability, has potential to be good when returns if babied early.

Howard - Utility, Maneuverability, In-Game Build Up Counts.

Yue - Munio Use, Trainable due to the nature of his class.

Risk - Mediocre, Substitute Potential, Comes with Cool Stuff.

Rachel - Three Chapters of Use where she can actually be used with little difficulty. Comes with an S ranked bow. Has some build up. Her class has worthwhile bows to use. Good if you for some reason want a Sniper and didn't train Zach.

Sai - Low-Blow to those who want Axe Users. Hard to use in the chapter he's gained in due to his stats and what his class requires and the fact his chapters are hard. Has to compete with MOTHER ****ING GARY. Doesn't come with anything special.

I should make a tier list.


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 11:46 PM

Gary's in for like 2.75 chapters. Sai actually has time to be useful. Gary is just a substitute. Rachel is just there for plot reasons and maybe to snipe a few enemies, also not useful and slightly difficult to recruit. Risk comes with a cool sword but that's pretty much it IIRC, you can't put him that high just because he has a cool sword you can trade with one of your other 10 sword users. Dark magic is OP in general so I'll let Yue go. (You get Munio pretty late though.) "In-game build-up" has absolutely nothing to do with how good a character they are that's just sentimental value lol. And no one ever uses Corben seriously for some reason so he must be bad.

in all seriousness

tier lists are dumb

you can use anyone in this game and there is no definitive worst character IMO, it depends on your play style, luck, etc., but Sai definitely has some good competition for "worst character" if you're going to hold a competition or something XD

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:51 PM

I'm surprised that Howard and Corben are considered bad by any means. Corben has the entirety of Siegfried's mode to level up and has a great class with good supports. Howard has a great base Speed and good weapon ranks; he has pretty good offense from the start.

From what I've seen, Howard and Levion are a bit of stat counterparts. Howard is a lot more offense-oriented with high Speed and Attack, while Levion is a lot better defensively. Though Cavaliers/Paladins as a whole aren't very great in The Last Promise. :/

There's a lot of worse characters, namely Leopold, Yue, Sai, etc. :/

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:00 AM

Eduardo is the best paladin in TLP. (No, seriously-- his hp and strength are ridiculous and his speed will catch up too. That makes him quite awesome imo.) He also has a lulzy personal weapon that actually has some use once he gets good enough to, well, actually use it effectively tongue.gif

Pfft, Sai and his dragon axe. I used Sai when he started with steel! hipster status
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 03:46 AM

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lol

@Bobryk

yeah that might actually be true haha, it's definitely a close call though and you could do some arguing with no real victor I think, but Eduardo's up there if only because he's available for pretty much all of part 2

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 01:33 PM

Corben really depends on luck for him to be great. Every single time I've used him except for my most recent one he was average.

Though in my most recent playthrough Corben is turning out amazing for me.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 02:09 PM

yeah he's kinda supposed to be average/solid, nothing powerful but useful if you want him and if you're lucky well there's a good chance you'll at least try him early on when you only have a few characters, so if he starts good at that point it might be a sign to use him that playthrough haha (whereas other characters late-game you tend to avoid entirely because you already have a team and don't need any temp fighters really, maybe one or two substitutes if you let one of your fav characters die)

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 10:25 PM

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Welcome back to Let's Play! The Last Promise!
As always, I will be your host.

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Levi has guard duty. And looks like we'll be seeing Haas soon.

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And then there's Siegfried. There's a soap joke here but
I'd like to think we're classier than that.

But it's a good plot point. Remember, Sieg was imprisoned for a while.

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GRR! Magnus! Enough to be said here.

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Levi is trusted because he once was part of Blaine.
They inform them that the real Rebellion is coming.

The thing I don't understand is, wouldn't there be recognizable people
in the rebellion? Either no one knows anything about it or Blaine hasn't
gotten their shit together. I mean, they thought one of Magnus' top generals
was Siegfried.

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Eh. I'm sure there's a few characters in your ranks who just view
it as more or less their day job. Like the mercenaries.

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Yeah, we remember Risk and Ben.

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GRRRR! MAGNUS!

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I lied last chapter. We'll try to use a few more units who didn't
get much screen time. I think this is the last time for sure.

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That King is a fatass. Leopold has issues lifting.

To be fair there's a reason the King has so much Con.

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Both Anima and Dark. This sorceror class came out long
before Awakening's incarnation of it was conceived.

Additionally this is the only character in the game who has this class.
I think it's interesting as all hell.

Risk here has a good Con and overall decent stats. He comes Late but he is
arguably going to be more useful than some of the other units just due to
his starting stats alone. He also comes with a few awesome things.


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And hey! we get Levion again.

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Ben tries to guilt me into using him. NICE TRY!

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Loyalty is lifting your 20 Con king when your rescue capacity is
only 5 and flying him to safety.

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Good growths all around.

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We weren't really having trouble. But sure!

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Mostly hits. I didn't abuse much to get okay growths.
Alot of it had to do with actually surviving due to who I was using.

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Haas returns with Liquid, Storm, Arthur and himself.

Two prepromotes and two who had half of a mode to level.

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Sai is getting okay growths but the problem I have is
the fact that his speed is hurting him due to his enemies.

He might have good growths but it's going to murder him.

Also Emma hits level 20.

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THE BOULDER WILL OUTSHINE YOU KELIK!
THE BOULDER IS THE STAR OF THE SHOW!

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Light Magic is the Best Magic.

Which is why it's not in awakening. Clearly.

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+3 Resistance is nice but everything else here is mediocre as hell.
No speed. Eh.

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If Corben fights Risk otherwise.

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We recruit him. For all this fuss over Drake it never gets resolved.
I wouldn't mind seeing an epilogue for these two.

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HIS GROWTH! SPEED ONLY! IM-IMPOSSIBLE!

Defeating him earns us another secret and ends the level
otherwise the ending is exactly the same.

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Surrender is their only option... well there's dying too.

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Why do you have to be such a dick? Ugh.

Right here Galagar could have crushed the rebellion but
as you can see, he's got an ego.

What say you Anakin?

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That's the spirit.

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Both of these men are asses. Moving on.

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Admit it Blazer, you just wanted to use this background.
This scene isn't even deep and meaningful.

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Ah Leopold!

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Things just go over his head. At least he's honest, unlike Anakin.

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We get two options here.

Yes gives us a new unit. And no gives us something to compensate.
Since we can't be completionist here and get every unit in the main game.

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We're going to decline him.

Instead we get 10,000 gold and Zane's spear.

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For reference to Leopold, check earlier this chapter.
Also reference Zane's spear last chapter.

Overall, I'd prefer material stuff because I'm just not going to be able
to use another unit. The weapon will be put to very good use at least.
Not only is it strong, it acts like a Delphi Shield.

That's all for now. Buh-bai.





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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:15 PM

huh

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I believe in judgment of humans through their judgment of fiction, for nothing else tells better of their disposition freed from apprehension.


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 06:15 PM

New chapter yay~

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The thing I don't understand is, wouldn't there be recognizable people
in the rebellion? Either no one knows anything about it or Blaine hasn't
gotten their shit together. I mean, they thought one of Magnus' top generals
was Siegfried.


I don't understand either

just one of the many flaws in the story lol

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GRRRR! MAGNUS!


lol, this a thing now, huh? XD

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I think it's noteworthy that Risk has relatively high resistance (much like his partner).

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Ben tries to guilt me into using him. NICE TRY!


LOL

I'm totally using Ben next playthrough

though I have somewhat painful memories of him dying repeatedly on me... BUT HE'S CHANGED SINCE THEN, RIGHT?!

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Admit it Blazer, you just wanted to use this background


DANGIT, YOU GOT ME

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gj as usual DH though it needs moar jokes

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:18 PM

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Welcome back to Let's Play: The Last Promise.
Where did we leave off?

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MAAAAAAGNUS!

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...*smacks Shadow* You're a bad guy. Come on dude.

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I think this line get said regardless of if Shon promotes or not.
Kinda funny, good thing we used ours on Kelik.

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Shon also knows a surprisingly lot about the blade he finds.

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Magnian: Long Time No see Shon.
Magnian: Galagar's Enemy is My Enemy!

Shon: Just what I needed to see, The Zeros.

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Kelik and Siegfried are locked out of this chapter and we only get
a few slots. But I think we're buff enough to take them all on.

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Our reward for doing a few extra things for development. Quite nice.

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A good promotion! Can't complain. But he's so light.

Okay! But before we go any further. Cia and Howard time.

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Uh oh.

Cia: I'll be your friend for ever! *cries*
Howard: *poker face* Stop crying.
Cia: TT~TT Why is the sky Green!

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We learn a little background info in this support.

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As well as some glitchy dialog.

Modding ain't easy kids.

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We begin our assault. No trouble here.

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Cero: Don't get too cocky Shon. It's too bad your dad's not here to see you fail!
You'll never reach Galagar!

Let's see what's so special about this guy anyway?

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I'm not too worried about him. But we can finally promote Althares!

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As I said. I'm not too worried about him. Let's put this punk in his place.
Shall we?

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GRIND. GRIND. GRIND. GRIND.

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If you happen to reach Shadow this is what you see.
Provoking him means you can't recruit him.

After killing everyone but Shadow we euthanize Cero.

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Cero: I...Can't...Looooose!

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It's much more fun! Because Assassins are squishy!

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I won't say another StarWolf pun.

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Neat. We're all killers in someway or form here. How many people have we killed?
Probably more than you.

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Thanatos is the name of a God of Death I believe. I can understand why he would
prefer to be a "shadow' of his former self. Huehuehuehue.

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We fought a bunch of men who liked quoting Anthros who pilot super aircraft ships
that shoot lasers. It wasn't a fun time.

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OH HO! What's this? A Last Promise? Like the title ohmy.gif

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Looks like they're sending the big guns now. Interesting.

That's it for now. Buh bai!



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:31 AM

dat title drop

is so bad

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dat is all

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:33 AM

Yay HowardxCia and Star Fox, boo Zeroes and Fenix! :/

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:49 PM

Was that green sky thing actually in the game? lol

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:27 PM

yeah it's one of those annoying unfixable "glitches" (it's not really a true glitch it's like, how the game is more or less meant to work, but it's not exactly cute either, so yeah...)

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 04:10 AM

Hmmm. I should have made a ShadowCero joke about Shadow and Cero for Shadow Cero.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:58 AM

that could be a thing

when is the next chapter coming out

oh and can I link to this on the TLP site(s)

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 09:45 AM

Yes of course.

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 10:21 PM

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Welcome back to another episode of Let's Play: The Last Promise.

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It's been a while since we last murdered someone.
But we're already tired out.

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Powercharging, power killing, killing Magnians, FOUR HUNDRED MAGNIAN!
Siegfried is being way to zealotous.

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The angst is strong with these two.
Initiative and promises.

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Woo! Another trope has been fulfilled. Obviously she's recruitable.
Also we learn that the Pegasus nation will be fine on it's own.

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Also this comes up, regardless of if Cia is dead or not.
Kinda funny how some pieces of dialog won't change.

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WOO! Now we can triangle attack to our hearts delight.
Incidentally, it's disabled on one chapter. But we'll get into that later.

Anyway, later on we come across another area. Time skipping around.
Or location skipping. Same difference.

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It means a good place to rest and supplies. Which is excellent.

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Also we have a subplot going on. Love this.
Unfortunately not every character gets a little touch like this.

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**** that. I don't care if Lethality is a perk, **** that.

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Lyam gets use here because this chapter has his own fight.

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We're on a timer. It's a big timer but none the less it means
we can't screw around too much.

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Tekun, certainly has a way with words. Doesn't he?

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We do get to meet the first in command but before we can even get to her
we have to fight our way through IVAN.





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It's clear that this Mod is American Propoganda to undermine the People.
DOWN WITH THE REVOLUTION! LONG LIVE MAGNUS COMRADES.


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Typical American Capitalist Shuuda judges Sweet Lovely Russian Inanna's
dear declaration of love! BURN THE PIG!


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You're right Comrade Ivan. The American Captialist swine cares nothing for them.
Look at how the filthy rich mercenary is still whining.


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Look at how they fail with their punny growths.


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Tell them Comrade! Make them see the Red Light that is the glory
of Communism!


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Not even THE BOULDER will be able to withstand the might of the People!

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Dear Sweet Inanna does her people proud!
Even Kelik gains red to his attire! WE ARE WINNING COMRADES!


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FILTHY REVOLUTIONARY DOGS!

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Here Comrades we see what happens when we strike a foe with
a tome that is broken. Dasher is a problem yet.
I blame those filthy Americans. VIVA MAGNUS!


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BEHOLD! A PERFECT GROWTH! I am starting to worry comrades.

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His words have swayed this Russian heart. He is right comrades...
He is right...


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Let us celebrate with Shon and Mark!

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Now you'll get what's coming to you, you magnificent hate monger!

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A few more growths.

Secret shop.
x (Click Here To Hide/Show Text)

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Also the secret shop. It's on this level. Has a few nice things.
We'll pick up a few Swd Crushers and a Secret Book or two.
Maybe a Physics.


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Clearing it quickly.

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THE POWER OF PEACE AND FREEWILL!
._. Maybe I'm being a bit too over-dramatic now.

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He does not fall yet!

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And he chooses to be difficult to defeat. While we gather things on the map yet!

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Obligatory. All about betrayal.

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PFFFFFFF.

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Welp. So much for that. Next chapter coming soon I hope.

Buh bai for now.


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Posted 22 July 2013 - 02:40 AM

lol, the communists needed moar party hats

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