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[Holy Kensai]

@Rujio and Reinfleche. Prepromote healers are not the same as healers, as we're only talking about first tier classes.

@Rujio. Yes, because you don't get an overabundance of funds in this game at all. My point about fortify (and all the staves) is that by the time you can make proper use of it, you have a prepromote that can use it for you, thus making the long process of working up a healer pointless. Besides, the prepromote uses the staves, which cuts down the usage of vulernaries anyways, which cuts the total cost down. And also, every character should have a vulenary on then anyways, in case the healer is too far away.

@Tino. Archers are just like Mages, except they have a better chance of surviving being melee attacked in exchange for not being able to counter. Archers are always useful as back-up. Even if they don't kill, their damage might let some other unit kill.

[Rujio]

You're making it sound like healers offer no help to the team until they can use high level staves, and that their only purpose is to level up, and then that archers are equal to mages.

[Tino]

[Holy Kensai]

[Oblivion Knight]

Vulinaries only healing 10 health isn't going to help when you're gonna die...

Healers can't get replaced by Vulinaries since in the GBA, they don't heal enough per one use of the item. Only 10 HP= gonna be dead and a heal staff at least heals that and magic power.

[Rujio]

The archer can be easily replaced by anything, and you don't get anything for using them instead of the alternative. Healers can be easily replaced, but it's better to use them because they are far superior to vulneraries.

[Falaflame]

[Dave Strider]

@Kensai: Ok... but you're making vulneraries look awesome when, in reality, they're rather awful.

[Falaflame]

Kensai, what's your beef with healers?

• Hammerne can fix your best weapons no problem. Is there any items that can do THAT?
• Restore can restore anything. All you have for protection is an Anti-Toxin, which doesn't prevent you from being berserked, sleep'd, or silenced, all of which is far worse.
• The Warp Staves, namely Warp and Rescue. See someone in need of help, freaking warp them. No item has an answer to that.
• Physic can heal from a distance, and Fortify can heal everyone within the distance. Vulneraries have no answer to that.
• You've got the Sleep and Silence staff, both of which improve your team's durability. You can put enemies to sleep, and make them shut their ****ing mouth. No item has an answer to this.

Healers aren't as useless as you think they are. Just because they can't fight, doesn't mean they suck.

[Holy Kensai]

Mercenary, try reading. Healers as in first tier. They're useless. Utterly useless. Vulnerarys are better tactically, and all those staves? By the time you get them you have a sage prepromote who can use them. Bam.

[Falaflame]

Doesn't cover the fact that you want to, you know, not get berserked/silenced/sleep'd. They improve your team more in durability than you think. They dont just heal HP you know...

Even so, they can heal HP from a distance before even getting a prepromote Sage.

[Zepher Tensho]

[Holy Kensai]

[Soviet Comrade]

Archers and Clerics BOTH outrank the generic Soldier and Fighter. They suck. Hard.

[Falaflame]

10 HP from a vulnerary isn't all that much, and Elixirs are god damn expensive. Screw those.

Say you run into a Paladin with 26 attack, and you've got someone like Kent take like 18 damage out of his 26 HP (very common scenerio). Use a vulnerary, and Paladin kills him on the next turn.

Extra magic stats from healing staves makes a difference between surviving and not surviving. It's better than say, Archer, since the archer is only usable once a turn, because they don't do jack shit in Enemy Phase.

[Soviet Comrade]

[Holy Kensai]

Alright, take your Kent versus a Paladin case, which is flawed as Comrade pointed out. But here's the thing, you could use mages and archers to also harm the paladin and kill him. No need for a healer at any point. I can assume this because if your Kent is as frail as that, then the Paladin is a boss, and you wouldn't attack with only Kent left to attack anyways.

Also, generic soldiers aren't really a class, and Fighters are useful because at the time they're the only axe-users you can get.

[Kingultra]

I'd say the dragons (Fa and Myyrh) because they are useless if the stone breaks.
Object me if you want.

[Holy Kensai]

We already discussed them pages back, we decided that since you don't get them until you have some promoted characters, they're not really first-tier. Or something like that.

[Zepher Tensho]

I have to say worst class is Shaman. At low levels they do have good magic yes. But average to below average Skill, Spd, Luk, and Def. (Knoll from FE8 having 0 luk at lvl 10)