I personally abhor such laws. Nothing much more to say right now. Maybe if someone disagrees with me I can discuss it with him. Discuss.
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Gun Control Laws
Started by Sothe, Apr 03 2009 11:33 PM
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Posted 03 April 2009 - 11:33 PM
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 12:26 AM
The battle cry of the liberals... gun control laws simply don't work. By enforcing gun control laws, self-defense would be weakened and everyone would need a license for self defense? Just... ridiculous.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 12:28 AM
| QUOTE (wraith89 @ April 03, 2009 07:26 pm) |
| The battle cry of the liberals... gun control laws simply don't work. By enforcing gun control laws, self-defense would be weakened and everyone would need a license for self defense? Just... ridiculous. |
Not to mention that criminals would give the Government a big "**** you," and buy, steal, deal guns as they do with drugs. With gun control, only criminals and people who intend to do harm with guns would have them. Too bad nobody really understands that.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 12:54 AM
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Not to mention that criminals would give the Government a big "**** you," and buy, steal, deal guns as they do with drugs. With gun control, only criminals and people who intend to do harm with guns would have them. Too bad nobody really understands that. |
In the same manner the American prohibition worked? I'm all for that really... the banning of alcohol, but it just simply doesn't work.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 01:03 AM
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In the same manner the American prohibition worked? I'm all for that really... the banning of alcohol, but it just simply doesn't work. |
Yeah. I mean, criminals get rich selling drugs. If we ban guns, they can do the same.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 01:42 AM
It's not like the people who use the guns for crimes are following the law to begin with.
First it is guns, then bows, etc etc etc.
I personally like having a bow and arrow for self defense (though mostly target shooting). Having a gun, if a I legally got it, I should be allowed to have it...
First it is guns, then bows, etc etc etc.
I personally like having a bow and arrow for self defense (though mostly target shooting). Having a gun, if a I legally got it, I should be allowed to have it...
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 02:52 PM
>_>
It's because if everybody had a gun, there would be many more accidents in the world.
You get just a bit too angry, you've just shot someone. It's that idea that gives rise to these laws.
It's because if everybody had a gun, there would be many more accidents in the world.
You get just a bit too angry, you've just shot someone. It's that idea that gives rise to these laws.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 03:06 PM
What exactly is a gun control law? If any of you would be able to tell me, I probably can participate in the discussion.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 03:27 PM
| QUOTE (Tino @ April 04, 2009 04:06 pm) |
| What exactly is a gun control law? If any of you would be able to tell me, I probably can participate in the discussion. |
If I'm correct, it's laws that places restrictions and requirements for gun uses.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 03:35 PM
I'm definitely for such laws, then. People running around with guns can only result in a huge increase of murders.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 03:44 PM
| QUOTE (Tino @ April 04, 2009 04:35 pm) |
| I'm definitely for such laws, then. People running around with guns can only result in a huge increase of murders. |
However, this always results in the counter argument that only criminals will have guns, and there will be more murders.
But I agree with you, more guns = more murders/'accidents'
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 03:54 PM
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| However, this always results in the counter argument that only criminals will have guns, and there will be more murders. |
What? I don't know if it's a politician who ever brought up this point, but it's incredibly flawed. Using arbitrary numbers, let's say there are 1,000,000 people with guns, and there's an average of 0.2 kills per gun. That's 200,000 murders. If the law comes into efffect, only 100,000 people will still have a gun, reducing the amount of murders to 20,000.
If it really was a politician who ever brought this up, then he should really consider looking for another job.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 04:02 PM
| QUOTE (Tino @ April 04, 2009 04:54 pm) | ||
What? I don't know if it's a politician who ever brought up this point, but it's incredibly flawed. Using arbitrary numbers, let's say there are 1,000,000 people with guns, and there's an average of 0.2 kills per gun. That's 200,000 murders. If the law comes into efffect, only 100,000 people will still have a gun, reducing the amount of murders to 20,000. If it really was a politician who ever brought this up, then he should really consider looking for another job. |
I don't think a politician has ever said that, it's what other people who are pro-guns normally counter with.
Or is it just that the people who I argue in just think Jeremy Clarkson is god?
Either way, I don't agree with them. Gun control is there for a reason.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 04:06 PM
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| Gun control is there for a reason. |
I personally don't think this is much of a good argument (though I still agree with you that it's a good law).
For example, what if the government decided that gun control should get rid of? There aren't any positive effects when that happens, but "it's done for a reason".
Just pointing out a little flaw in your logic.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 04:10 PM
| QUOTE (Tino @ April 04, 2009 05:06 pm) | ||
I personally don't think this is much of a good argument (though I still agree with you that it's a good law). For example, what if the government decided that gun control should get rid of? There aren't any positive effects when that happens, but "it's done for a reason". Just pointing out a little flaw in your logic. |
I put other reasons in earlier posts, and didn't want to repeat myself.
I should really learn to link everything together coherently.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 04:39 PM
Just because the amount of registered guns decreases, criminals themselves can get guns other ways, illegally. It happens all the time.
Accidents? They run a medical check to make sure you are mentally sane and such before giving you a gun. Not to mention, jsut because people have a gun, doesn't mean that they carry it with them all the time.
So getting angry example isn't the case, because who in their right minds carries their hunting rifle out to lunch? Or even in their own home?
Accidents? They run a medical check to make sure you are mentally sane and such before giving you a gun. Not to mention, jsut because people have a gun, doesn't mean that they carry it with them all the time.
So getting angry example isn't the case, because who in their right minds carries their hunting rifle out to lunch? Or even in their own home?
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 04:51 PM
| QUOTE (Felover3 @ April 04, 2009 05:39 pm) |
| Accidents? They run a medical check to make sure you are mentally sane and such before giving you a gun. Not to mention, jsut because people have a gun, doesn't mean that they carry it with them all the time. So getting angry example isn't the case, because who in their right minds carries their hunting rifle out to lunch? Or even in their own home? |
Firstly, accidents can mean anything. People have shot themselves pciking up their gun with a pool cue. It happens. A medical check won't solve all of this. People playing Russian Roulette when dunk doesn't go down well either.
And getting angry is valid, it happens to people, and who said a rifle? You could easily go to lunch with a revolver >_>
I lose it and see red, and I get extremely violent. If I had a gun, heck, anything lethal on me at the time, I'd be in the slammer.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 05:01 PM
I hate pulling this arguement, but I am kinda dead right now in thinking of rebutles.
Second Amendment, no matter how stupid it is, it is guarenteed under constitution.
Here is a better solution, ban guns in places where alchool is sold. They are doing that now, so drunk killings are less.
How often is someone going to get THAT angry, people rarely snap to the point they would hurt someone with a gun, unless the other person is just going on or the person with the gun had an unstable mind.
Second Amendment, no matter how stupid it is, it is guarenteed under constitution.
Here is a better solution, ban guns in places where alchool is sold. They are doing that now, so drunk killings are less.
How often is someone going to get THAT angry, people rarely snap to the point they would hurt someone with a gun, unless the other person is just going on or the person with the gun had an unstable mind.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 05:01 PM
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Firstly, accidents can mean anything. People have shot themselves pciking up their gun with a pool cue. It happens. A medical check won't solve all of this. People playing Russian Roulette when dunk doesn't go down well either. And getting angry is valid, it happens to people, and who said a rifle? You could easily go to lunch with a revolver >_> I lose it and see red, and I get extremely violent. If I had a gun, heck, anything lethal on me at the time, I'd be in the slammer. |
I don't believe in accidents...
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 05:51 PM
Gun control is essential. Less guns = less shootings.
Guns only have one use: killing another human being, which isn't justifiable.
Guns only have one use: killing another human being, which isn't justifiable.
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