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[Ezra]

I got bored so I thought up a new challenge for fire emblem.

I'm gonna play fire emblem 6-8 ( starting with 8, ending with 6, seeing as how 8 is the easiest and 6 is the hardest)

Now the challenge is to use all character with different letters, in other words I can't use Sain and Serra when I playthrough FE7, but I also can't use Seth in FE8 and then Sain in FE7.

I might post this on youtube depending on if I'm in the mood or not... Youtube gives me some trouble every now and then.


FE8 Vanessa, Seth, Joshua, Garcia, Colm.

FE7 Eliwood, Hector, Lyn, Bartre, Kent, Matthew, Oswin, Ninian/Nils ( they count as one) Florina

FE6: Roy, Zeiss, Alan, Treck, Wade, Percival, , Dieck, Igrene.

Q, U, X, Y.

For each letter left over ( since I had to do something with the left over letters) I can use one character for one chapter, ie. I can use a Q to use Ephraim for one chapter, but I'd have to use U to use him for another one. These are basically so that if there's a chapter where I have hardly any characters, I will have something to fall back on.

Also using a character means:
shopping, visiting villages, entering a battle ( this includes meatshielding) and unlocking chests.

I can however do the following with ALL characters: trade items, open doors, Talk/recruit, Rescue unused characters with used or unused characters.

And I think that's it, I will probably start tomorrow.

[Fire Blazer]

That is, pretty creative...... o_O

[Ezra]

All right challenge has been started.

A couple characters have been switched ( Garcia replaced Geese, and Florina replaced Forde)

I tried recording a recording, but it makes my VBA too slow so it was a no go my computer is so dumb

Prologue: ( 2 turns, 2 total) really simple, Seth killed all the enemies.

Chapter1: ( 5 turns, 7 total ) Same thing, kept everyone out of the way 'cept Seth who killed everything then seized the throne.

Chapter2: ( 6 turns, 13 total) Got some new people, Vanessa and Garcia, first thing I did was recruit Garcia and then I had Seth kill everyone, Garcia took care of some people that somehow got by Seth and Vanessa visited some villages.

Chapter3: ( 6 turns, 19 total) Seth and Garcia took the lead, Vanessa followed behind, Neimi recruited Colm and Colm went on a treasure hunt. everyone else went straight for the boss and the chapter was seized on turn 6.

Chapter4: ( 5 turns, 24 total) Seth went straight for the boss, Colm, Garcia and Vanessa fought of enemies and made sure nobody could get to Eirika or Artur.

I will be updating everyones stats and levels every five chapters.

Seth
lv --/4 exp90
Hp33
str16
skl13
spd13
luck15
def13
res8

Venessa
lv 4 exp23
Hp18
str7
skl8
spd14
luck5
def6
res5

Garcia
lv 6 exp60
Hp28
str8
skl8
spd7
luck5
def6
res1

Colm
lv 3 exp58
Hp18
str5
skl4
spd10
luck8
def3
res1

[Fire Blazer]

ouch, won't that take a while?

Oh wait you're only using a few characters

XP D=

[Ezra]

When I get to Fe7 and Fe6, it will take a while, but as for FE8 no, because I get my last character for this run next chapter xD ( Joshua!)

And this challenge will also take a while in itself, since 3 fire emblem games together is like 100 chapters.

After this challenge I am thinking of doing a REALLY hard challenge, no promotion run. If my computer doesn't lag I'll have to put that on video.

Chapter5: ( 9 turns, 33 total) kinda took my time on this one, had to recruit joshua and I wanted to visit all the villiages, Vanessa visited most of the villages, everyone else charged forward, Joshua killed the boss with the Armorslayer.

Chapter5x ( 13 turns, 46 total) I used one of the letters so that I could use Orson, I soloed the whole chapter with him and seized the throne.

Chapter6 ( 3 turns, 49 total) Eirika crept backwards while everyone else went straight for the boss, Vanessa almost died a couple times but luckily she dodged every time, Colm used the torch so I could see the whole battlefield, on the third turn Vanessa gave Seth the javelin since the boss was just out of reach for a 1 range weapon.

[Akeiron]

No promotion run, huh... sometimes I can't tell between bravery and madness. Luckily, this time I don't have to, It's both bravery AND madness. Well, good sir, wish you luck with that. About your current Challenge, I gotta say it's pretty... unique...

About your characters, here's the RNG record with the first update:

Seth: average, normal level ups.
VAnessa: high RNG bless compared to all your other characters. Only both defenses remain with no change.
Colm: ... RNG hates him. Only one point on one stat... but oh well, he only had a level up, that's easy to fix.
Garcia: curious... not good level ups with no important increase, but it increased luck twice and def once, which is interesting cause HP and Strength have way higher growths yet they dind't increase not even once...

Well, the are only the first level ups, so nothing's decided!! By the way, remember that with no tower training nor anything, FE8 can turn out to be pretty tough but specially remmeber that it's the shortest FE withot training battles.

[Ezra]

Yeah, It's probably possible ( with some luck) for fe8.

not sure about other games though.

and yeah I try to come up with unique challenges, I think I made a topic for it a while ago, I might revive it after coming up with a decent amount of challenges ( don't wanna revive it for just one challenge)

[Fire Blazer]

Feel free to revive said topic just for one challenge, I really could hardly care less about how many topics you bump ._.

Also, Akeiron's short analysis is suddenly making this challenge seem really, really hard...

[Akeiron]

... After thinking it carefullly, it's simply not possible to do a no promotion run... unless you use prepromoted units. This is due to Formortiis being extremely powerful. The only reason because he seems easy is because you can attack him with more than three very powerful characters equipped with legendary weapons at the same time... But without promoting units... well... legendary weapons cannot be equipped and your power will be extremely lowered... Formortiis will OHKO you with ease and you won't be able to touch him...

Unless I'm misunderstanding the whole thing and actually a no promotion run includes using a lot of prepromoted units...

Oh, and no worries about my RNG analysis. While very accurate, It's just the beggining of the game, just the first levels. You can still be suddenly RNG-blessed. Imagine it for a second... a Garcia with max speed, a Vanessa with max strength, a Colm with max skill, a Seth with everything maxed... Okay, they won't end up like that, but they can still turn out to have pretty good stats.

[Ezra]

Well, yeah the later bosses are going to be a big problem, and I probably won't be able to beat Formortiis because of the reason you said, but I'd still be fun to see how far I could get with pre-promotes.

If everything doesn't work though, Myrrh is TECHNICALLY a pre-promote. ( well, she doesn't promote but... I count her as a pre-promote)

[Akeiron]

... Sorry, Myrrh, completely forgot about you... and yes, she is nor a pre-promote nor a prepromoted, but she is... special. Since Dancers are also special and they are usable, Let's consider Myrrh a usable character for a no promotion run. After all, even though extremely powerful, she isn't easy to use. Her only weapon's uses are limited and if you try to train her, her Wepon will most likely break or almost break. And if you don't want her to be doubled by formortiis, then you must train her. if you feel like you can't train her because the stone is almost broken, though, there's a hard to activate "trick" that allows you to completely restore the stone's uses. But it would not be right to do it, so try to avoid needing it.

[Fire Blazer]

Yeah, without Myrrh and the legendary weapons, the Demon King (don't feel like misspelling his name >_>) is actually a tough boss...

^Using the trick is part of the game so I can't say it's totally unfair

even if it wasn't INTENDED to be part of the game

yeah I gotta say the characters he is using are kinda bad >_> I definitely couldn't win with them.

[Ezra]

Well there are a couple weapons that could do some decent damage to the demon king if you do an unpromoted run...

Dragonstone: the strongest, max str and get a critical and it's a cakewalk.

Siegmund: It's a proof weapon, so you should be able to not promote Ephraim and still use it.

Sieglinde: ( same as above, only for Eirika)

Luna: you can get two shamans in this game, Knoll and Ewan, if ( and this is VERY unlikely, but it could be possible if you were lucky and used metis tome on Ewan and Energy rings) if you got both of them to have 20 mag, then that's 20 damage a piece.

Eclipse: Yeah I'm not even sure if it's obtainable until after you beat the game... I think you can get it in ch.15 and it's one of the items hidden in the sand. now the first part is getting this crazy tomb to hit, but if it does then the demon king takes 60 damage, and I'm not sure if the tomb can critical, but if it can then it's always an OHKO.

I'll be sure to give this a try though after the alphabet challenge, I'll do it for all games and see how far I can get, I'm going to try to beat the demon king without Myrrh, just to see if I can.

[Akeiron]

Acutally, only the Dragonstone is an option:

Siemund/Sieglind: no matter how much damage you'll deal with those in case they can be used without promoting, both Eph and Eiri will die at the counterattack. Remember, Formo can taret Def or Res at will and has 50 of attack when targeting REs, 55 when targeting def.

Luna: the same applies. They'll die at the counterattack. And even if you don't care about that, look at the "Eclipse" section.

Eclipse: as far as I know, there's no such thing as an Eclipse Critical. And anyway, Maths speak for themselves:

Formo's avoid: 50/60 (Demon Light)
Eclipse's hit: 30
Shaman Ewan at 10/20's natural hit: 35%
Total Hit: 15%/5%

Knoll won't have the slightest chance of hitting.And anyway, remember that a magic tome's uses go down even if the attack misses.

Oh, and hitting with Luna wouldn't be much easier, just a 20% extra: 35%/25%. And Knoll would have even lower hit. And even Ewan would be doubled by Formo, so even if you were to be RNG blessed at the counter attack and somehow dodge (It'd actually be close to, if not, impossible) Formo's attack, there'd be yet another attack waiting for you.

Oh, and there are two different ways to obtain Eclipse: buying it at Eph's chapter 14's secret shop and picking the one lost in the desert.

SO, without Myrrh, you're most likely destined to perish. But oh well, if a person were to stop just because some knowledgeable guy tells you that it's the best option, more than the fifty percent of the current Shounen Manga would not exist, so good luck.


And Blazer, even with only Dozzla and Duessel you can beat this game. And along with Rennac they are the worst characters in the whole game by far.

[Ezra]

yeah, what I'm planning to do is spoil a character or two, and give them a bunch of stat boosters and supports, Ephraim with maxed supports and most stats maxed would stand a chance...

If the demon king targets resistance, then Ephraim could survive if he used a purewater.

With a seraph robe I should be able to get Ephraim to have a lot of hp, since everyone caps at 60 I just need to get him as close to 60 as possible, give him a bunch of defense and supports.

I think I could probably defeat the demon king without Myyrh if I prepared properly, the problem is he summons reinforcement and has nightmare so... yeah demon king will probably win.

[Akeiron]

Not necessarily... Wait, I'm doing a few calculations and stuff... Done!

Alright: If you manage to max Eph's stats (except luck, res and perhaps HP) you might actually win...

(all the stuff below has been calculated with th Siegmund equipped)

With Max Strength, Ephraim will deal 18/23 of damage per hit.
With Max Skill and normal luck, Ephraim will have a hit of 118, Total 68%/58% of hitting.
With Max speed, Ephraim will double the reinforcements and won't be doubled.
With max def, Ephraim will endure 1 hit and die at the second. This might seem low, but only a few of the promoted units actually get to endure more than 1 of Formo's smashes.
With max res, Ephraim will die at Formo's third magical attack.

I won't bother caluclating Formo's hit because it's gonna be very close to 100%.

With those max stats, The reinforcements he summons won't be a problem. So, yo can focus on defeating Formo... With a maxed L'Arachel, you can restore Ephraim if Formo uses Nightmare (it's a one-use-only ability so you won't have to make her run any risk at all) And with a Physic staff, you can slowly kill Formo!! And, very little effort is required to do this because to max out these two youngsters it is needed:

For Eph:
3-4 Angelic Robes
1-2 Energy Ring
1 Secret Book
1 Speedwings
3-4 DragonShields
7 Talismans

For L'Ara (she only needs defenses, speed and HP)
5 Angelic Robes
1 Speedwings
6 Dragonshields
2 Talismans

Ingame, you can find:

Prologue Route
1 Angelic Robe
1 Energy Ring
1 DracoShield
1 SecretBook

Eirika Route
1 Energy Ring
1 Secret Book
1 Dragon Shield
1-2 Speed Wings (if you steal Amelia's Speedwings at chapter 9, Does she appear with more Speed Wings at chapter 13? I need someone to confirm this)
1 Angelic Robe
2 Talisman
2 Body Ring (perfect for Eph, he loses 3 AS with the Siegmund)
1 Swiftsole/Boots (Perfect for L'Ara, that way if she has to restore Eph, she can run away as soon as she did her job and she'll have higher mov than the enemies)

Ephraim Route
1 Angelic Robe
2 Speedwings
1 Secret Book
2 Talisman
1 Energy Ring
2 Body Ring
1 Swiftsole/Boots

Final Route
1 DragonShield
1 Goddess ICon
1 SpeedWings
1 Angelic Robe

Also, there's yet again a trick, this time much easier to use, to force the enemies at Lagdou's entrance to have (and usually drop) some predetermined items. With that trick you can obtain infinite stat-increasing items for free.

So, if you give Metys to one of them, then the stat increasing items to the other (Eph MUST have all maxed, L'ARa only has to be close to the max) you can actually defeat Formo without promoting at all!! Plus, L'araxEph Support gives extra power, hit and crit to Eph, stats that you need a lot.

[Ezra]

Wow, seems like a lot of trouble, but It seems doable and I'll figure it out once I start the challenge, thanks for your advice though!

[Dave Strider]

Huh, interesting challenge. For FE6, you could also take Yuno (even though she's kinda worthless).

I also point out that the Demon King only starts using Ravager turn 2 enemy phase, and if you don't have anyone next to him then he can't use it (... I think.) You could rather easily 1 turn it as it is, since all the Sacred Twins are effective on him, not just the PRF weapons, so as long as your guys can survive a single attack they're probably okay.

[Ezra]

I didn't take Yuno because...
A. as you mentioned she's worthless and joins late.
B. I might not even go on her route so that would make her even more pointless to use.
C. I counted her name as Junno.

But yeah I'll do a pre-promote challenge for each game and see how far I get.

Chapter7: 5 turns (54 total)


Joshua went straight up and took care of the axefighter and mage, Garcia and Colm went straight to the right and fought off enemies for exp, Venssa rescued Seth and dropped him off near the mage and two soldier, Seth proceeded to the boss, Vanessa rescued Eirika and kept her away from enemies, dropped her on turn 4, and I seized the gate on turn 5.

Chapter8: 11 turns ( 65 total)

I could've beaten this much faster, but I had to keep Ephraim and his men away from enemies, I wanted to get the robe and whip, and Eirika took too long reaching the throne.

anyway Seth went straight through a pile of knights and soldiers to get to Tirado, he almost killed him in one shot, but Tirado activated great shield, it ended up taking 2 turns to kill him. ( I used an armorslayer) Colm went on a treasure hunt, but had to protect himself every now and then. Garcia went with Seth and Colm. Joshua and Vanessa kept Ephraim and his men from being attacked. I can now promote Vanessa as soon as she reaches level 20!

Seth
lv --/8 exp90 ( he has the same amount of exp he had last time ;p )
Hp37
str18
skl17
spd15
luck16
def16
res11

Venessa
lv 10 exp32
Hp22
str10
skl13
spd19
luck7
def8
res8

Garcia
lv 12 exp50
Hp33
str12
skl13
spd10
luck8
def6
res2

Colm
lv 5 exp90
Hp19
str6
skl6
spd12
luck9
def4
res2

Joshua:
lv 11 exp22
Hp29
str12
skl14
spd16
luck9
def8
res3

[Akeiron]